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Originally posted by realeyezTry reading Matthew 5:20-48 in its entirety. There Jesus explains the righteousness required "enter the kingdom of heaven". It takes the following form with 5:20 and 5:48 serving as bookends:
Matthew 5:48 That was in contexts to show love to your brother not actual being perfect,
The bible does state all have sinned and have fall short of the glory of God. The sin is our imperfection and all have sinned.
As far as everything else goes Im done. I know in my heart I've done what was right. I have no need to prove it, following the commandme ...[text shortened]... doing what is right in His eye's is my only concern. I wish you all the best enjoy your life.
20“For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus then gives several examples of where the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees falls short before closing with the final summation.
48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
In 5:48 Jesus is still speaking of the righteousness required "enter the kingdom of heaven". So Jesus did "ask us to be perfect" contrary to what you believe. At least in righteousness.
If you want more evidence read the following:
John 17:20-23
"I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be PERFECTED in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me."
You can choose to follow the teachings of those other than Jesus, but you might want to keep the following in mind:
Luke 6
46 “Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
You can also choose to ignore valid criticism if you like. However, it is what it is.
Originally posted by lauseyAn honest man can destinguish truth from untruth, and when you study any body of knowledge, if you are honest, and dont have a hidden agenda to keep to, and if you are unbiased in nature, you will immediately upon studying any doctrine, know if it is resonating truth or not.
How do you know the Vedanta teachings are correct?
Vedanta is a work of knowledge and truth, that has millions of verse,s, and untill you explore them all, you have no judgement to make.
Let's say, for example, that 10 people came up to me with different sets of teachings, each of which has millions of verses. They each claim that they all have t ...[text shortened]... e to explore them all to make any kind of judgement? What about if it was 100 people? or 1,000?
I have said before that, if a religion condones animal slaughter, then it is bogus.....so who needs to study them all as you suggest.
What we find in this world is a increase of atheism, because people are looking at the bogus doctrines, and then proclaiming that religion is false.....and it is false, if you look only at those bogus ones.(so you study was successfull)
No one really has looked at Vedanta closely, they have just skimmed a few pages, and when they see words they dont recognize, they stop there study, and then for no reason assume it like the rest.
Vedanta contains all knowledge, and you cannot read the entire Vedanta writtings in one life time.
But you dont have to, because the spiritual/religious part of Vedanta can be read and studied in one life time, and if you follow the spiritual practices, then you shall raise your consciousness and develope the proper sentiments to achieve love of God....but what man/woman wants to do this?
Most people want a cheap religion, because thay are not wanting to change their lifestyle, so this is why most flock to the Islam/Christianity, because it doesnt tell you to stop killing animals for their meat eating.
Also Islam/Christianity tell the people that they have one life only, and that to have eternal life you must subscribe to their ways....but they dont inform you that you are already eternal, because the spiritual soul is spiritual and eternal by its very nature.
The teachings of Christianity and Islam are so lacking in higher knowledge, that its no wonder that many who have looked at them, have become atheist, and I would go as far to say that, because they are lacking in truth, they are the cause of people becoming atheists in the first place.
Originally posted by realeyezNo I used to live in Kent. Near Renton. I did not know they had a board like that at West lake center though. I miss the North West no doubt.
We have one of those to at Westlake Center in Downtown Seattle. I work fairly close to it (aboput 5 blocks away) So you live in Belleve? If so were pretty close to each other. I do realize this peace more than likely will not happen in this or any other forum. Not as long as people have opinions. But you never know unless you try. 😀. and I have to try even ...[text shortened]... can play sometime. I have a four way chess set at home. Just playing that can hurt the brian lol
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Originally posted by vishvahetuAnyone can say that for any religion/scripture. You are talking about being unbiased, yet you are biased towards the Vedenta teachings.
An honest man can destinguish truth from untruth, and when you study any body of knowledge, if you are honest, and dont have a hidden agenda to keep to, and if you are unbiased in nature, you will immediately upon studying any doctrine, know if it is resonating truth or not.
I have said before that, if a religion condones animal slaughter, then it is b ...[text shortened]... se they are lacking in truth, they are the cause of people becoming atheists in the first place.
It is because of this bias that you give it so much credit and deluded into believing it is the only truth.
That is the case with any religion. People are brought up surrounded by it, get biased towards it, get deluded to it and cannot see any "truth" outside of it.
This is what "closed minded" is. You get locked into a specific way of thinking, then start thinking that anyone who cannot accept your limited world view is being "closed minded".
Scientific process, however, is constantly analysing, adjusting, and improving knowledge.
Religion remains mostly static, unless scientific evidence becomes so overwhelming that religion has to concede. For example, agreeing the world is spherical, and that evolution is fact (although, unfortunately, not all the time).
The Vedanta teachings has got so big because it has been around for a long time and developed a lot of followers. Other much smaller religions do not gain such dominance because of this.
It is like a large supermarket chain which undermines small businesses.
There are infinite possibilities for a religion, so I have to believe it just because one particular possibility becomes popular?
Originally posted by lausey~This is what "closed minded" is. You get locked into a specific way of thinking, then start thinking that anyone who cannot accept your limited world view is being "closed minded".~
Anyone can say that for any religion/scripture. You are talking about being unbiased, yet you are biased towards the Vedenta teachings.
It is because of this bias that you give it so much credit and deluded into believing it is the only truth.
That is the case with any religion. People are brought up surrounded by it, get biased towards it, get deluded ...[text shortened]... religion, so I have to believe it just because one particular possibility becomes popular?
Is not this the example to what you are doing to vishva's share of understanding, and mine as well?
Originally posted by realeyezWhen the Israelites first came to Canaan, they were told that the Canaanites all must be destroyed and they should not be allowed to live among the Israelites because the Canaanites would poison the minds of the Israelites with their false gods, causing some Israelites to adopt these false gods. The Israelites did not heed this advice and were tired of war and took the Canaanites into their nation and allowed them to live among them.
Regardless of what religious practice we all my have or lack of practice. From believing in Jesus, to Ali, Budda, the universe, science etc. Can we learn to except one anothers differences without insults? I enjoy a good debate when both parties are open, not just trying to prove their own point for the sake of trying to sound smart. I myself I live in Rent ...[text shortened]... ts we should behave in that manner, so having said that is peace possible? Your opinions please.
As a result, the Israelites paid for their sin by falling to the Assyrians and Babylonians and were led into exile. Many generations later, they're still paying the price through their troubles with the Palestinians.
My point? There is "a time of war, and a time of peace". Not all who cry "peace, brother" have your best interests at heart.
Originally posted by vishvahetuHow fitting that your avatar is a serpent.
I have said before that, if a religion condones animal slaughter, then it is bogus.....so who needs to study them all as you suggest.
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Also Islam/Christianity tell the people that they have one life only, and that to have eternal life you must subscribe to their ways....but they dont inform you that you are already eternal, because the spiritual soul is spiritual and eternal by its very nature.
Originally posted by lauseyYes any one can say that about any religion, but the Vedanta teachings are not any religion,....you obviously know nothing of the Vedanta teachings to have made your comments.
Anyone can say that for any religion/scripture. You are talking about being unbiased, yet you are biased towards the Vedenta teachings.
It is because of this bias that you give it so much credit and deluded into believing it is the only truth.
That is the case with any religion. People are brought up surrounded by it, get biased towards it, get deluded ...[text shortened]... religion, so I have to believe it just because one particular possibility becomes popular?
Vedanta is to Christianity/Islam....as black is to white, and the only agreement they both have is that there is a Supreme Creator.
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Originally posted by tacoandlettuceNotice I said this:
~This is what "closed minded" is. You get locked into a specific way of thinking, then start thinking that anyone who cannot accept your limited world view is being "closed minded".~
Is not this the example to what you are doing to vishva's share of understanding, and mine as well?
Scientific process, however, is constantly analysing, adjusting, and improving knowledge.
That is what "open minded" is.
Here is a you tube clip which describes it rather well, and confirms what I said above.
Originally posted by vishvahetuVedenta teachings are no different to a religion, as you are just blindly following what someone else has said. That is dogma. The characteristics of a religion.
Yes any one can say that about any religion, but the Vedanta teachings are not any religion,....you obviously know nothing of the Vedanta teachings to have made your comments.
Vedanta is to Christianity/Islam....as black is to white, and the only agreement they both have is that there is a Supreme Creator.
I have grown up with my father quoting from the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita (of which I even have a copy myself). Of which is very similar to the Vedenta teachings.
They are all just anecdotes. Beliefs that have been passed down many generations.
I (as well as many others) do not have to study vast volumes of scripture to dismiss it.
I know nothing about Norse Mythology, but know enough to realise that anyone who just blindly follows beliefs taught by it and dismissing everything else is being "closed minded".
Originally posted by tacoandlettuceCan you not see the irony here? 🙄
~This is what "closed minded" is. You get locked into a specific way of thinking, then start thinking that anyone who cannot accept your limited world view is being "closed minded".~
Is not this the example to what you are doing to vishva's share of understanding, and mine as well?
Originally posted by lauseyYou foolish man, saying i know this and i know that....you know not nothing, but speak because you are bitter.
Vedenta teachings are no different to a religion, as you are just blindly following what someone else has said. That is dogma. The characteristics of a religion.
I have grown up with my father quoting from the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita (of which I even have a copy myself). Of which is very similar to the Vedenta teachings.
They are all just anecd ...[text shortened]... blindly follows beliefs taught by it and dismissing everything else is being "closed minded".
Your foolish father was an ignorant demi-god worshiper, and Vedic teachings advise against this.
Your foolish father didnt know the conclusion of the Upanisads, if he did , he would have taught you well.
Your father quoted the Bhagavad Gita, but which one!...did you know there are 400 translation of the Bhagavad Gita, and most are nonsense.
If you think that Vedanta is not truth, then please tell me 10 things it taught you that you say is not truth, and then i will correct your understanding, and set things straight.
Are you up to that challenge....or are your words empty.