Cardinal Stepinac: Fascist Saint?

Originally posted by frogstomp
not the pope ! that's for sure

The prosecuters were the new rulers of Yugoslavia, the Tito communists. Of course you knew this. It was a show-trial, one of the many which took place in the Communist world.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
The prosecuters were the new rulers of Yugoslavia, the Tito communists. Of course you knew this. It was a show-trial, one of the many which took place in the Communist world.

Tito fought against the Nazis and their traitor NDH friends while "saint" Stepanic:

Archbishop Stepinac frequently participated in Ustashi celebrations. Hrvatski Narod of April 11, 1942, reported that he took part in a parade of Ustashi military units celebrating the first anniversary of the puppet state. Before the parade Stepinac celebrated a solemn mass which was attended by Pavelic and the Axis diplomatic representatives. The Archbishop welcomed Pavelic at the entrance to the church on this occasion and escorted him inside.

Hrvatski Narod of March 13, 1942, reported that in connection with the celebration of the Pope's crowning, following the solemn mass in the Cathedral Archbishop Stepinac gave a reception in his palace which was attended by many members of the Ustashi government and by Axis diplomats. He did not miss this opportunity to praise the quisling regime, while an Ustashi military band played in the street outside.

Two days later the Hrvatski Narod reported that Archbishop Stepinac held a Thanksgiving Mass on the occasion of the third anniversary of the quisling Slovakian state.

(from the last link I provided. Hrvatski Narod is a newspaper)

Show trial or not, the evidence of Stepanic's treason was overwhelming.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
I think you are having trouble reading. He is not supporting any Nazi invasion. He is supporting the independence of Croatia and referring to the events, among which the Nazi-actions as follows:


Because, as much as the course of these portentous events is complicated; as much as the factors that influence the course of events are heterogeneous, ...[text shortened]... s zeal to accuse Stepinac. It is ridiculously obvious that these accusations are fabricated.

April 28, 1941 is , unless my math is wrong , after the German invaded on April 6,1941.
You should just accept that the RCC is a fascist organization and become a Quaker and really be against the culture of death.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
The prosecuters were the new rulers of Yugoslavia, the Tito communists. Of course you knew this. It was a show-trial, one of the many which took place in the Communist world.

Which brings up why you think Stepinac was a saint. He was anti-communist.
WELL!!!!............ so was Saint Hitler then, only even more so!

Originally posted by ivanhoe
I think you are having trouble reading. He is not supporting any Nazi invasion. He is supporting the independence of Croatia and referring to the events, among which the Nazi-actions as follows:


Because, as much as the course of these portentous events is complicated; as much as the factors that influence the course of events are heterogeneous, ...[text shortened]... s zeal to accuse Stepinac. It is ridiculously obvious that these accusations are fabricated.

Are you kidding??? Nazi troops reached Zagreb on April 10, 1941 and the NDH was formed at Hitler's instructions on April 15, 1941.

Originally posted by no1marauder
LMFAO!!!! Do you deny that he made a radio broadcast supporting the establishment of the NDH while the Yugoslav Army was still resisting the Nazi invasion?? Even your own link admitted that!! I don't have the text of the radio address but that's an impossible standard for an internet chess forum. Show me the original text of the Gospels next time someone ...[text shortened]... ds that no member of the Catholic clergy could be prosecuted without consent of the Vatican.

marauder: "Do you deny that he made a radio broadcast supporting the establishment of the NDH while the Yugoslav Army was still resisting the Nazi invasion?? Even your own link admitted that!!

Silly you ! Learn how to read.


You have chosen not only to believe the Nazi propaganda in the case of Pius XII but in this case you also chose to believe the Communist propaganda. You are so gullible ! You are prepared to believe anything negative about Pius XII and Cardinal Stepinac no matter how biased and corrupt the source.

In 1985, his trial prosecutor Jakov Blazevic admited publically that Cardinal Stepinac's trial was entirely framed, and that Stepinac was tried only because he refused to sever thousand year old ties between Croatians and the Roman Catholic Church. Cardinal Spelman commented on Stepinac by stating that : "the only thing Cardinal Stepinac is guilty of was his love for God and his homeland".

http://www.hr/darko/etf/stepinac.html

Are you willing and able to believe the above statement of his trial prosecutor Jacov Blazevic ? Of course not.

I wonder whether something can be found about this in the up to date "Pavelic Papers" site? I doubt it. Who do you think are the makers of this site ? C'mon, guess ......

Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b]marauder: "Do you deny that he made a radio broadcast supporting the establishment of the NDH while the Yugoslav Army was still resisting the Nazi invasion?? Even your own link admitted that!!

Silly you ! Learn how to read.


You have chosen not only to believe the Nazi propaganda in the case of Pius XII but in this case you also chose to beli ...[text shortened]... ers" site? I doubt it. Who do you think are the makers of this site ? C'mon, guess ......[/b]

Read the link I gave detailing the evidence against your "saint". I'm not interested in your ridiculous conspiracy and persecution theories; the facts are there for all to see.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b]marauder: "Do you deny that he made a radio broadcast supporting the establishment of the NDH while the Yugoslav Army was still resisting the Nazi invasion?? Even your own link admitted that!!

Silly you ! Learn how to read.


You have chosen not only to believe the Nazi propaganda in the case of Pius XII but in this case you also chose to beli ers" site? I doubt it. Who do you think are the makers of this site ? C'mon, guess ......[/b]

Not one word of resistance to the blazen Nazi aggressors. NOT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! Only complicity with the NDH puppets.That's Stepinac and that aint even close to sainthood.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Tito fought against the Nazis and their traitor NDH friends while "saint" Stepanic:

Archbishop Stepinac frequently participated in Ustashi celebrations. Hrvatski Narod of April 11, 1942, reported that he took part in a parade of Ustashi military units celebrating the first anniversary of the puppet state. Before the parade Stepinac celebrated ...[text shortened]... newspaper)

Show trial or not, the evidence of Stepanic's treason was overwhelming.

marauder: " Show trial or not, the evidence of Stepanic's treason was overwhelming"

You are blinded to the bone.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Are you kidding??? Nazi troops reached Zagreb on April 10, 1941 and the NDH was formed at Hitler's instructions on April 15, 1941.

Learn how to read.

I wonder when I get the answers to my questions, marauder. Where are those links ?

Originally posted by no1marauder
Tito fought against the Nazis and their traitor NDH friends while "saint" Stepanic:

Archbishop Stepinac frequently participated in Ustashi celebrations. Hrvatski Narod of April 11, 1942, reported that he took part in a parade of Ustashi military units celebrating the first anniversary of the puppet state. Before the parade Stepinac celebrated ...[text shortened]... newspaper)

Show trial or not, the evidence of Stepanic's treason was overwhelming.

You call this evidence ? Evidence of being a traitor ? Evidence of being a fascist ? You must be hallucinating.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
I wonder when I get the answers to my questions, marauder. Where are those links ?

I'm wondering why you just don't admit to being a fascist .

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Learn how to read.

The point being that Stepanic's beloved puppet Croatian state was created by the Nazis while they were invading Yugoslavia. Rather than supporting the people of Yugoslavia in resisting Nazi aggression, your "saint" supported colloboration with the Nazis by the formation of the NDH even while Yugoslav troops were still fighting! That, my fanatical friend, is a traitor.

The Croatian state repaid the great favor granted them, that of being able to become Nazi puppets, by supplying troops to fight for the Nazis in Croatia and elsewhere. Your "saint" happily accepted the role of military vicar to these Nazi allies and participated in military parades and celebrations. How many other saints can say they were at parades glorifying the exploits of the allies of the Nazis, Ivanhoe? How many other saints can say that they had masses honoring brutal murderers like Pavelic? "Saint" Stepanic is sure unique.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
I wonder when I get the answers to my questions, marauder. Where are those links ?

I gave you a link to the official trial evidence. Read it and learn.