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Originally posted by @josephwAnd I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and .... whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:12-15 KJV)
Apparently you're so used to talking out your arse you wouldn't know straight talk when you hear it.
Show the scriptures that say God tortures people.
What is the lake of fire?
Did the people jump in there for themselves?
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Revelation 14:9-11 KJV)
Who torments these people?
Originally posted by @josephwWho is asking about you?
Believe what you want divegeester. Truth is I really don't care. It's not worth the argument. The fact is it has all been settled in eternity already, and I'm not worried about any of it even one little bit because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt where I'll be standing in that day.
Why the need to talk about yourself?
Are you another parrot like sonship?
Originally posted by @josephwThe eternal torture of non-believers according to the doctrine which is propagated by several Christians in this community pertains to the very essence and nature of the Christian god. Why is the portrayal of the very essence and nature of the Christian god [that you worship] not worth the argument?
Truth is I really don't care. It's not worth the argument.
Originally posted by @fmfBecause it doesn't affect salvation.
The eternal torture of non-believers according to the doctrine which is propagated by several Christians in this community pertains to the very essence and nature of the Christian god. Why is the portrayal of the very essence and nature of the Christian god [that you worship] not worth the argument?
Salvation and redemption is the message of the NT, and in this light the issue of whether the final disposition of those judged wanting is eternal torture or annihilation in the Lake of Fire is neither here nor there. And I find it extremely unbelievable that you bother to give a rat's patootie either way. You're just running to your pal divegeester's support because it happens to be his favorite tool to attack Christians. I find it hard to believe that you care either way, it's just that you love to see Christians attacked and it's even better for you if you can set Christian against Christian.
So again, you can take your questions about "why don't you confront them for saying that?" and politely shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
Originally posted by @suzianneMy question is not about your notion of "salvation". It is about the very nature of your god figure. You and sonship appear to be talking about completely different gods. This fact cannot be dismissed by either party claiming that the differences are "not significant".
So again, you can take your questions about "why don't you confront them for saying that?" and politely shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
-Removed-Why should I care what you believe when you can't even provide a scriptural basis for that belief? Why should I care?
Why do you allow yourself to be duped by Rajk into thinking my motive is to cast pearls before swine? I had no such motive. I intended to start a thread about what makes God holy and thought that it was a pearl of a concept.
That God is holy because He is the only being of His kind in existence. It's a pearl of an idea. That was my only thought when I labeled this thread Casting a Pearl.
Titus 1:15
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
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Originally posted by @josephwYou are a crooked liar!!
Why should I care what you believe when you can't even provide a scriptural basis for that belief? Why should I care?
Why do you allow yourself to be duped by Rajk into thinking my motive is to cast pearls before swine? I had no such motive. I intended to start a thread about what makes God holy and thought that it was a pearl of a concept.
That God i ...[text shortened]... that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
If your intention was to avoid insult, you would have used other Bible phrases:
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. (Matthew 13:45-46 KJV)
Instead you used this one
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, ... (Matthew 7:6 KJV)
Plus you ask questions and when I answer you ignore me.
People like you should get off these forums and go play checkers or something.