Originally posted by @josephwAnd I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and .... whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:12-15 KJV)
Apparently you're so used to talking out your arse you wouldn't know straight talk when you hear it.
Show the scriptures that say God tortures people.
What is the lake of fire?
Did the people jump in there for themselves?
25 Jul 17
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Revelation 14:9-11 KJV)
Who torments these people?
25 Jul 17
Originally posted by @josephwYou see, here you go again asking me to look stuff up for you. This is just the dodge I was talking about earlier. I don't think you know how to describe of defend what it is you believe.
I believe what the Bible teaches.
Why don't you find a verse or passage that talks about the judgement of the dead, quote it, and then tell me what you think it means?.
We need only go as far as the truth.
25 Jul 17
Originally posted by @fmfJoseph is doing his usual "your wrong but you have to show me why your wrong" tactic.
Why aren't you confronting the posters who believe this doctrine? As you know, divegeester doesn't subscribe to the doctrine. What don't you ask those that do to show you the scriptures?
25 Jul 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterBelieve what you want divegeester. Truth is I really don't care. It's not worth the argument. The fact is it has all been settled in eternity already, and I'm not worried about any of it even one little bit because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt where I'll be standing in that day.
Joseph is doing his usual "your wrong but you have to show me why your wrong" tactic.
25 Jul 17
Originally posted by @josephwWho is asking about you?
Believe what you want divegeester. Truth is I really don't care. It's not worth the argument. The fact is it has all been settled in eternity already, and I'm not worried about any of it even one little bit because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt where I'll be standing in that day.
Why the need to talk about yourself?
Are you another parrot like sonship?
Originally posted by @josephwThe eternal torture of non-believers according to the doctrine which is propagated by several Christians in this community pertains to the very essence and nature of the Christian god. Why is the portrayal of the very essence and nature of the Christian god [that you worship] not worth the argument?
Truth is I really don't care. It's not worth the argument.
26 Jul 17
Originally posted by @fmfBecause it doesn't affect salvation.
The eternal torture of non-believers according to the doctrine which is propagated by several Christians in this community pertains to the very essence and nature of the Christian god. Why is the portrayal of the very essence and nature of the Christian god [that you worship] not worth the argument?
Salvation and redemption is the message of the NT, and in this light the issue of whether the final disposition of those judged wanting is eternal torture or annihilation in the Lake of Fire is neither here nor there. And I find it extremely unbelievable that you bother to give a rat's patootie either way. You're just running to your pal divegeester's support because it happens to be his favorite tool to attack Christians. I find it hard to believe that you care either way, it's just that you love to see Christians attacked and it's even better for you if you can set Christian against Christian.
So again, you can take your questions about "why don't you confront them for saying that?" and politely shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
26 Jul 17
Originally posted by @suzianneMy question is not about your notion of "salvation". It is about the very nature of your god figure. You and sonship appear to be talking about completely different gods. This fact cannot be dismissed by either party claiming that the differences are "not significant".
So again, you can take your questions about "why don't you confront them for saying that?" and politely shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
26 Jul 17
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Originally posted by @josephwYou say that you "don't really care", and yet here you are "casting your pearls" before the swine of the forum.
Believe what you want divegeester. Truth is I really don't care. It's not worth the argument. The fact is it has all been settled in eternity already, and I'm not worried about any of it even one little bit because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt where I'll be standing in that day.
Casting your little barbs and jibes at those of whom you disapprove, and now when cornered you are covering yourself in your theological cloak of invincibility™
26 Jul 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterGoogle: No results found for "theological cloak of invincibility".
...and now when cornered you are covering yourself in your theological cloak of invincibility™
Respect.
26 Jul 17
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Originally posted by @suzianneBut it possibly does affect salvation!
Because it doesn't affect salvation.
Salvation and redemption is the message of the NT, and in this light the issue of whether the final disposition of those judged wanting is eternal torture or annihilation in the Lake of Fire is neither here nor there. And I find it extremely unbelievable that you bother to give a rat's patootie either way. You're ...[text shortened]... y don't you confront them for saying that?" and politely shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
For some reason you seem to be oblivious to some of the most interesting parallel lines of discussion in this forum. Take sonship for example; he refuses point blank, over and over again to confirm or deny if me disagreeing with him on the doctrine of eternal hell places my salvation in any jeapardy. Why is that? I'll tell you why, it's his vanity. He's too vain to admit that his precious but abominable doctrine doesn't even impact salvation. It's that pouting vanity that is the parallel line.
On the matter of eternal suffering itself, I would say that it is the single most important topic of discussion that goes on in here. It separates those who believe in a terrorist God from those who believe in a merciful God of salvation. It reveals the colour and tone of a poster's salvation, it informs their thought processes and Christian decision making. It describes to the lost the very nature of the God we believe in.
These are important and interesting topics of discussion to many of us here for these reasons, and as this is a discussion forum with strong differing views I hardly think your habitual complaints about the exchange that goes on in here is in any way relevant.
26 Jul 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterWhy should I care what you believe when you can't even provide a scriptural basis for that belief? Why should I care?
You say that you "don't really care", and yet here you are "casting your pearls" before the swine of the forum.
Casting your little barbs and jibes at those of whom you disapprove, and now when cornered you are covering yourself in your theological cloak of invincibility™
Why do you allow yourself to be duped by Rajk into thinking my motive is to cast pearls before swine? I had no such motive. I intended to start a thread about what makes God holy and thought that it was a pearl of a concept.
That God is holy because He is the only being of His kind in existence. It's a pearl of an idea. That was my only thought when I labeled this thread Casting a Pearl.
Titus 1:15
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
26 Jul 17
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Originally posted by @josephwYou are a crooked liar!!
Why should I care what you believe when you can't even provide a scriptural basis for that belief? Why should I care?
Why do you allow yourself to be duped by Rajk into thinking my motive is to cast pearls before swine? I had no such motive. I intended to start a thread about what makes God holy and thought that it was a pearl of a concept.
That God i ...[text shortened]... that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
If your intention was to avoid insult, you would have used other Bible phrases:
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. (Matthew 13:45-46 KJV)
Instead you used this one
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, ... (Matthew 7:6 KJV)
Plus you ask questions and when I answer you ignore me.
People like you should get off these forums and go play checkers or something.