Originally posted by @fmfSo you place a premium on what people "think" over what is true? People think all kinds of things without evidence.
Do you think that Muslims believe their god is holy, that their texts are holy, that their places of worship and shrines are holy? Do you think Hindus use the word holy too for the same things? And Sikhs? And Jews? Do you really not realize how and why the word "holy" is used?
It was clearly evidenced by the quote from Isaiah I provided that what I asserted about what makes God holy has a basis in reality.
Provide a quote from any other religious writings that what you say has some credence, otherwise what you're saying is just hearsay.
Originally posted by @josephwThe notion of something being "holy" is a product of perception and thoughts. The "evidence" that Hindu gods are "holy" is found in the reverence and beliefs of Hindus, and in their holy scriptures, for example.
So you place a premium on what people "think" over what is true? People think all kinds of things without evidence.
Originally posted by @fmf"The notion of something being "holy" is a product of perception and thoughts."
The notion of something being "holy" is a product of perception and thoughts. The "evidence" that Hindu gods are "holy" is found in the reverence and beliefs of Hindus, and in their holy scriptures, for example.
Is it? Or is it that perception and thoughts are a product of that which is holy?
Your interpretation of holy is entirely subjective.
Originally posted by @josephwI notice you did not answer sonships question about the topic of this thread. Your reluctance to answer tells me that you intended it to mean that those/some on this forum are swine. What say you ?
[b]"The notion of something being "holy" is a product of perception and thoughts."
Is it? Or is it that perception and thoughts are a product of that which is holy?
Your interpretation of holy is entirely subjective.[/b]
Originally posted by @josephwIf the truth of my claims was "weak, soft, and without substance" ~ or even controversial ~ as opposed to blatantly obvious, which they are ~ I'd probably be off spending time looking for links for you to try to bolster my case.
Then your claims are weak, soft, and without substance.
Originally posted by @josephwYes. The perception that something is "holy" is something lodged in the human mind.
"The notion of something being "holy" is a product of perception and thoughts."
Is it?
If there were no humans, there would be no "holiness", just as there would be no grandeur, and no scariness, and no honesty, and no mercy, and no love, and no anger. These are all human-created words to describe ideas in human minds.
Originally posted by @fmfYou're an existentialist? Or perhaps an nihilist?
Yes. The perception that something is "holy" is something lodged in the human mind.
If there were no humans, there would be no "holiness", just as there would be no grandeur, and no scariness, and no honesty, and no mercy, and no love, and no anger. These are all human-created words to describe ideas in human minds.
Love existed long before man.
Sad that you live in an empty universe. Nevertheless, in spite of what drives your mental processes, God loves you.
Believe it. Or miss out on the most profound experience you'll ever know.
Originally posted by @josephwLike I said, if there were no humans, there would be no such thing as "holiness". Something being "holy", whether it be Hindu deities or a Muslim shrine or the Torah or your god figure, is a word that describes how those things are perceived by humans.
You're an existentialist? Or perhaps an nihilist?
Love existed long before man.
Sad that you live in an empty universe. Nevertheless, in spite of what drives your mental processes, God loves you.
Believe it. Or miss out on the most profound experience you'll ever know.
Originally posted by @fmfLike you said, those things are perceived by humans.
Like I said, if there were no humans, there would be no such thing as "holiness". Something being "holy", whether it be Hindu deities or a Muslim shrine or the Torah or your god figure, is a word that describes how those things are perceived by humans.
Perceptions limited by the physical senses. When one is born again a sixth sense is activated, which is guided by God's Word.
Faith, when placed in Jesus, is the only thing that can activate a spirit that is otherwise dead to God.
The only God there is. A holy God.