Originally posted by @suzianne"Salvation and redemption is the message of the NT, and in this light the issue of whether the final disposition of those judged wanting is eternal torture or annihilation in the Lake of Fire is neither here nor there."
Because it doesn't affect salvation.
Salvation and redemption is the message of the NT, and in this light the issue of whether the final disposition of those judged wanting is eternal torture or annihilation in the Lake of Fire is neither here nor there. And I find it extremely unbelievable that you bother to give a rat's patootie either way. You're ...[text shortened]... y don't you confront them for saying that?" and politely shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
Just to clarify, if you have a relative or friend who is judged and found wanting, you believe it is neither 'here nor there' if they are tortured eternally or annihilated in the lake of fire?
Is that what you are telling us?
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Originally posted by @rajk999I'd whoop you're arse at checkers. Haven't lost a game in 40 years. It's too simple.
You are a crooked liar!!
If your intention was to avoid insult, you would have used other Bible phrases:
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking [b]goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. (Matthew 13:45-46 KJV)
Instead you used this one ...[text shortened]... r you ignore me.
People like you should get off these forums and go play checkers or something.[/b]
Let's play a game of chess. I shut down the number of challenges I'd except, but I'll make an exception just for you. I'll do it without even knowing your rating. Are you ready for that!
-Removed-Dude! Why are you making such a big case of it? Just make a biblically based argument for believing that the dead don't get cast into the lake of fire.
I know there's a reason why it pains you to believe the dead will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. It is disturbing to contemplate. I understand that, but I can't deny what the Bible says.
Can you feel my pain?
-Removed-Don't be daft. Even your cohort Rajk posted the relevant verses.
Obviously, for some reason, you're afraid to address the issue in print. The scriptures are clear. Those that reject God's Christ are destined to an eternity void of the love of God. Outer darkness. Weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Incomprehensible. I don't like it anymore than you do, but I can't deny the Word.
Jesus dive, why can't we talk about this?
Originally posted by @josephwDive has stated that he would discard the New Testament, in its entirety, before he would believe this version of hell, even though the dire warnings are in the Bible.
Don't be daft. Even your cohort Rajk posted the relevant verses.
Obviously, for some reason, you're afraid to address the issue in print. The scriptures are clear. Those that reject God's Christ are destined to an eternity void of the love of God. Outer darkness. Weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Incomprehensible. I don't like it anymore than you do, but I can't deny the Word.
Jesus dive, why can't we talk about this?
For his own personal belief system, he 'chooses' to ignore 'hell' in the Bible.
Originally posted by @chaney3But why chaney? I'm not trying to be insensitive to the prospect of an eternity separated from God in what must be the most horrific experience conceivable in the human mind.
Dive has stated that he would discard the New Testament, in its entirety, before he would believe this version of hell, even though the dire warnings are in the Bible.
For his own personal belief system, he 'chooses' to ignore 'hell' in the Bible.
The lake of fire. For all eternity. The idea drives me insane. But I cannot deny the Word of God.
Originally posted by @josephwI don't exactly know why Dive believes what he does.
But why chaney? I'm not trying to be insensitive to the prospect of an eternity separated from God in what must be the most horrific experience conceivable in the human mind.
The lake of fire. For all eternity. The idea drives me insane. But I cannot deny the Word of God.
But, I must say that I tend to NOT believe in a horrific hell somewhere. If Jesus really did get crucified for the benefit of humanity, then that sacrifice carries more weight than any threats that exist in the Bible.