Celibacy

Originally posted by sumydid

My wife is Mexican Catholic. ....but, I still consider her a sister in the Body of Christ. A misguided one, in my opinion, but a sister nonetheless! 🙂

Hi Sumydid,
According to Mt 22:30,
she is your wife on earth,
but when you go toheaven she is your sister 😉

Have we established that Yahshua was crucified on Wednesday and placed in a
borrowed tomb of a rich man, wrapped in fine linen (Shroud of Turin), and
covered with about 100 pounds of spices just before the high day Sabbath?
I believe we have also established that on Friday after the high day Sabbath
some of the women followers of Yahshua (Jesus) went to buy spices and then
prepared the mixture with perfume so they would have it to anoint Yahshua
after they rested on the weekly Saturday Sabbath. At dawn on the first day of
the week the women came to the tomb bringing the spices they had prepared
with them, but Yahshua had risen.

P.S. Whether or not the Shroud of Turin is the linen cloth is not important
here. However, I believe it is the burial cloth of Yahshua (Jesus).

Originally posted by RJHinds
Have we established that Yahshua was crucified on Wednesday and placed in a
borrowed tomb of a rich man, wrapped in fine linen (Shroud of Turin), and
covered with about 100 pounds of spices just before the high day Sabbath?
I believe we have also established that on Friday after the high day Sabbath
some of the women followers of Yahshua (Jesus) went to ...[text shortened]... nen cloth is not important
here. However, I believe it is the burial cloth of Yahshua (Jesus).

No, in fact, we have not. As I pointed out in my last post, nothing you have cited in the gospels explicitly indicates a sequence of four different days: Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Your reading depends entirely on a convenient interpretation that the buying of spices took a whole day. That is unlikely. The gospels do not say that they bought spice, observed the Sabbath and then went to Jesus' tomb. Probably they bought the spices in the early morning.

I am not yet ready to respond to the parts of this argument. I am fairly busy over the next week. 🙂

Originally posted by Conrau K
No, in fact, we have not. As I pointed out in my last post, nothing you have cited in the gospels explicitly indicates a sequence of four different days: Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Your reading depends entirely on a convenient interpretation that the buying of spices took a whole day. That is unlikely. The gospels do not say that they bought ...[text shortened]... not yet ready to respond to the parts of this argument. I am fairly busy over the next week. 🙂

No, that can not be true. It is impossible to read it that way because that
defies reason and logic.

Originally posted by RJHinds
No, that can not be true. It is impossible to read it that way because that
defies reason and logic.

Does double take..... does it again... rubs eyes.... does dramatic chipmunk.....

I'm sorry,

I don't want to get in the way of you aptly demonstrating how vague and contradictory the bible is....

But did you just say something in the bible couldn't be read in a certain way because it defied reason and logic????

The whole damn thing defies reason and logic, reason and logic are not involved in any way.

Reason left in a huff during the first draft, and logic never entered the building...

Originally posted by googlefudge
Does double take..... does it again... rubs eyes.... does dramatic chipmunk.....

I'm sorry,

I don't want to get in the way of you aptly demonstrating how vague and contradictory the bible is....

But did you just say something in the bible couldn't be read in a certain way because it defied reason and logic????

The whole damn thing defies rea ...[text shortened]... way.

Reason left in a huff during the first draft, and logic never entered the building...

That just shows how ignorant of the Holy Bible you are again. You
should stick to something you know something about. It certainly
isn't the Holy Bible.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That just shows how ignorant of the Holy Bible you are again. You
should stick to something you know something about. It certainly
isn't the Holy Bible.

Well I admit I haven't read all of it.
However all the bits I have read were vague and contradictory, among other things.

Also others I have a level of trust in also make similar claims, claims that have thus far checked out.

And also it's a bit rich for you to complain about me talking about the bible because I don't
know enough about it when you wont stop wittering about how evolution is wrong despite
demonstrating countless times that you don't know what it is.

Double standards?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well I admit I haven't read all of it.
However all the bits I have read were vague and contradictory, among other things.

Also others I have a level of trust in also make similar claims, claims that have thus far checked out.

And also it's a bit rich for you to complain about me talking about the bible because I don't
know enough about it when y ...[text shortened]... despite
demonstrating countless times that you don't know what it is.

Double standards?

How did I demonstrate that I do not know what evolution is?
I don't know all the details of evolution; but I do know what it is.

The theory of evolution is a naturalistic theory of the history of life on earth.
The theory states that the various types of animals and plants have their origin
in a common ancestor and the distinguishable differences are due to
modifications in successive generations.

Originally posted by RJHinds
How did I demonstrate that I do not know what evolution is?
I don't know all the details of evolution; but I do know what it is.

The theory of evolution is a naturalistic theory of the history of life on earth.
The theory states that the various types of animals and plants have their origin
in a common ancestor and the distinguishable differences are due to
modifications in successive generations.

ok so far, but you are talking about what evolution explains, not what it is.

Evolution is the name for the process by which what you explain happens.

It is your understanding of the process I question, based on what you have said about it
in the past.
You have often and repeatedly made statements that you could only think true if you did
not understand evolution.

So the next question is how do you understand the process of evolution to work.
Because that's the crucial bit.

Evolution explains the diversity of life on earth, however what I am asking if you understand is
how it explains the diversity of life on earth.

Originally posted by googlefudge
ok so far, but you are talking about what evolution explains, not what it is.

Evolution is the name for the process by which what you explain happens.

It is your understanding of the process I question, based on what you have said about it
in the past.
You have often and repeatedly made statements that you could only think true if you did
not u ...[text shortened]... however what I am asking if you understand is
how it explains the diversity of life on earth.

I don't know how it is suppose to work; but I do know the idea is
flawed, since it rules out God's action in the process. This is in
direct conflict with the words in the Holy Bible, in my opinion.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't know how it is suppose to work; but I do know the idea is
flawed, since it rules out God's action in the process. This is in
direct conflict with the words in the Holy Bible, in my opinion.

Ahh there you see,
you presuppose it to be wrong without actually understanding what the idea actually is.

I can tell you that evolution happens all the time, whether it created all the diversity of
life or not, we can see evolution happening all around us.

In microbiology for example you can see viruses and bacteria evolving over very short periods.

This is why HIV is so difficult to defeat.
It evolves into different versions almost in front of your eyes.

Have a look at this video and see what you think.

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Originally posted by googlefudge
Ahh there you see,
you presuppose it to be wrong without actually understanding what the idea actually is.

I can tell you that evolution happens all the time, whether it created all the diversity of
life or not, we can see evolution happening all around us.

In microbiology for example you can see viruses and bacteria evolving over very short per ...[text shortened]... nd see what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afm3vjn0PuQ&feature=channel_video_title

What you call evolution is not evolution. It is adaptation and sometimes
mutations. That is not evolution, as some seem to think. A caterpillar
turning into a butterfy is not evolution. God designed it to do that just
like he designed organisms to adapt.

Originally posted by RJHinds
What you call evolution is not evolution. It is adaptation and sometimes
mutations. That is not evolution, as some seem to think. A caterpillar
turning into a butterfy is not evolution. God designed it to do that just
like he designed organisms to adapt.

Yes you have said that before and again it is wrong.
And nobody other than you claims scientists think a
caterpillar turning into a butterfly is evolution.

You have just made my point that you don't understand what the theory of evolution is.
There is no point in discussing it further unless you are actually prepared to learn
what the theory of evolution actually is, rather than the straw man you think it is.

I don't mean start believing in evolution, although that would be sensible, but if
we are ever going to have a meaningful discussion about it we need to both be
talking about the same thing.
You are talking about some half baked thing you have made up (or been taught
by someone else who made it up) which renders the discussion pointless.
We might as well be talking a different language.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Yes you have said that before and again it is wrong.
And nobody other than you claims scientists think a
caterpillar turning into a butterfly is evolution.

You have just made my point that you don't understand what the theory of evolution is.
There is no point in discussing it further unless you are actually prepared to learn
what the theory of e ...[text shortened]... up) which renders the discussion pointless.
We might as well be talking a different language.

Maybe we are.