@secondson said'Everlasting punishment' surely comes from the mind of flawed human beings, not a perfectly loving deity? Surely?
Don't you want to be gotten by God?
You know, the one and only God. The God that calls to account those that blaspheme His name and pays everlasting punishment to for their sins?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat's even more peculiar is that the 'everlasting punishment', for all intents and purposes, is not for "sin", it's for not believing you are "forgiven".
'Everlasting punishment' surely comes from the mind of flawed human beings, not a perfectly loving deity? Surely?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIt's spelled out in plain English, or in the Greek, in words inspired by God, in a book called the Bible.
'Everlasting punishment' surely comes from the mind of flawed human beings, not a perfectly loving deity? Surely?
That God is love does not diminish from the fact that God is also just, not only to forgive, but to bring into account anyone that rejects His salvation.
It's in The Book, and no amount of twisting and wresting with it will change one wit of it.
@fmf saidWhat's peculiar is how you wrangle around with words to over complicate a simple concept.
What's even more peculiar is that the 'everlasting punishment', for all intents and purposes, is not for "sin", it's for not believing you are "forgiven".
God's Word teaches that those who believe have eternal life, and those who don't experience everlasting punishment in outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
@secondson saidThere is no "wrangle" with words involved. I have encapsulated the OSAS concept in an uncomplicated and succinct way.
What's peculiar is how you wrangle around with words to over complicate a simple concept.
@secondson saidMy rendition of this was better. Look again. "Believe" what? The doctrine is, for all intents and purposes, as I stated it.
God's Word teaches that those who believe have eternal life, and those who don't experience everlasting punishment in outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
@secondson saidThe Bible was written by man, hence the flawed and disproportionate concepts of everlasting punishment. If the Bible had indeed been inspired by an all wise and all loving deity such concepts wouldn't feature.
It's spelled out in plain English, or in the Greek, in words inspired by God, in a book called the Bible.
That God is love does not diminish from the fact that God is also just, not only to forgive, but to bring into account anyone that rejects His salvation.
It's in The Book, and no amount of twisting and wresting with it will change one wit of it.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWiser than God are you?
The Bible was written by man, hence the flawed and disproportionate concepts of everlasting punishment. If the Bible had indeed been inspired by an all wise and all loving deity such concepts wouldn't feature.
If the Word of God is inspired, 2 Timothy 16, and men were moved by the Holy Ghost, 2 Peter 1:21, to pen the words, then your concept is flawed.
God not only inspired His Word, but also preserves it. Psalm 12:6,7.
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The Bible was written by man, hence the flawed and disproportionate concepts of everlasting punishment. If the Bible had indeed been inspired by an all wise and all loving deity such concepts wouldn't feature.
I think if you asked for the convening of a congress of thieves to come together and decide what should be the appropriate punishment for stealing, they might agree that there should be none.
Can they be relied upon to put their vested interest aside and arrive at what their own penalty should be? I think not.
The objections to eternal punishment are likewise the musings the criminal as to what he thinks should be God's penalty against rejecting God should be. It should be light or none at all, he is likely to reason.
Though it is not easy, I leave room for eternal punishment not being a lack of God's wisdom but an indication of it. What is beyond God? What is above God? What higher court or referee could correct God ? No higher authority can exist.
If you reject God and want to stay in that state forever, forever you are to know what He responds to your rejection. He came in the Son to become sin for us, a curse for us, judged for us. Should His creatures want to reject Him and win too ?
If you argue that eternal punishment is unreasonable is eternal life something you think we sinners deserve ? Why isn't that lopsided given the things we've done ?
@secondson saidThe Bible was written by man. Therefore quoting passages from this man written book, about how it is inspired by God, is never going to have any traction with me.
Wiser than God are you?
If the Word of God is inspired, 2 Timothy 16, and men were moved by the Holy Ghost, 2 Peter 1:21, to pen the words, then your concept is flawed.
God not only inspired His Word, but also preserves it. Psalm 12:6,7.
What external evidence do you have of the divine authorship of the Bible?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidJesus.
What external evidence do you have of the divine authorship of the Bible?