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-Removed-Responses to what? Your assertion that religious education is child abuse?
If you remove all of his bs against God and His Holy Word from his original post, I believe he and others here are talking about removing science from classrooms altogether; and that, that is the child abuse. Which I feel, in a sense, that it is. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
It's like removing reading and writing from schools because they do not want anyone to know what is going on except what THEY tell us. Same as the Catholic Christendom did when they ruled most of Europe for 1200 years or so, from the Benzytine Empire in Constantinople (post Roman Empire). Having or reading a Bible was a death sentence, unless you were a Priest or higher up in the Catholic Church. They didn't want anyone to know what the Bible really said; they only wanted people to know what they told them. Thank God for Martin Luther growing some balls.
Will you ban ALL religions from teaching the miraculous, the myths and the counter science, or just your pet target Christianity?
What I would ban is deliberately teaching children falsehoods.
what about the systemic abuse of women by Islam?
There are unpleasant aspects of all religions from Islamic suppression of women’s rights and gays to Catholic extremely repressed sexual dogma.
How will you stop it and will it be the entire religious text of just the bits you personally disapprove of?
You misunderstand me. Religion SHOULD be taught in schools, but with the proviso that they are all theories and children should be free to make their own decisions.
However, you must not teach children that the moon is made of cheese or that the universe came into being 11,000 years ago because science has disproved both.
@pianoman1 saidNo one I know thinks the moon was made of cheese, and no one knows how old the universe is, and even using scripture alone that isn't clear cut.
@divegeesterWill you ban ALL religions from teaching the miraculous, the myths and the counter science, or just your pet target Christianity?
What I would ban is deliberately teaching children falsehoods.what about the systemic abuse of women by Islam?
There are unpleasant aspects of all religions from Islamic suppression of women ...[text shortened]... of cheese or that the universe came into being 11,000 years ago because science has disproved both.
Science is all about testing and confirming things through observation; one of the issues with things like dating millions or billions of years is our math could be spot on, but the only thing that proves is our math is good, not what we think means. We could be missing something, and we may not understand some of the processes well enough to use them for rates. Our observation is in the here and now; what we see now and the conditions in the past may not be the same; what we see now doesn't explain the beginning of anything from the universe or life.
What we can see today does play a part in our understanding of the past, but any theory, hypotheses, guesswork about the past should fit with all of the facts we have here. Getting directional information within life to do what it does, doesn't come from a random mixing of chemicals; information of that type requires something far more, for those that which to dismiss that piece of the puzzle are not doing so with science, but their worldviews by definition not by observation.
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@pianoman1 saidthe ludicrous notion that the universe is only 11,000 years old.
Children in some parts of the US are being subjected to mental abuse.
They are being taught Creationism. Not as a theory to balance Evolution, but as a fact. This is a thought crime that should be condemned by all right-thinking people. Teachers and parents are blocking off the tsunami of scientific evidence, and putting their faith in a book written some 4000 years ago by ...[text shortened]... ma, Tennessee, South Carolina and Wisconsin - the so-called Bible Belt.
This MUST stop.
Responses?
I agree with you here. I always chuckle when some supposed Christians make this claim.
They make this claim by the tracing of the blood-line of Adam and Eve until Jesus, and then unto today.
What they are forgetting is that this blood-line did NOT begin until after Adam and Eve fell. Adam and Eve clearly were in the Garden of Eden for millions, if not billions of years before they fell. Their fall was around 11,000 years ago; not since God created the world or man. Our timing anyway.
@kingdavid403 saidHow do you arrive at this- ..Adam and Eve clearly were in the Garden of Eden for millions, if not billions of years before they fell. ..
the ludicrous notion that the universe is only 11,000 years old.
I agree with you here. I always chuckle when some supposed Christians make this claim.
They make this claim by the tracing of the blood-line of Adam and Eve until today.
What they are forgetting is that this blood-line did NOT begin until Adam and Eve fell. Adam and Eve clearly were in the Gar ...[text shortened]... ore they fell. That was around 11,000 years ago; not since God created the world. Our time anyway.
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@rajk999 saidHow do you arrive at this-
How do you arrive at this- ..Adam and Eve clearly were in the Garden of Eden for millions, if not billions of years before they fell. ..
Because of the God (scientific) knowledge that we now have, knowing that the earth is much older than 11,000 years.
The 11,000 years or so, is from their (our) fall, not from their (our) creation.
@pb1022 saidYour limited imagination tends to limit what you think I think.
So you believe God created the universe and all the inanimate matter in it, but when it came to life, He only created a single-celled organism, plopped it in the middle of the ocean and declared everything was good and rested?
Unjustifiably, to be sure. I know you're in a hurry to nay-say what I think, but to be fair, you might wait until you hear it from me.
@pianoman1 saidNo, sorry. America has a de facto separation of church and state because of the First Amendment. Trying to join their functions in one body is a recipe for disaster. Religion should NOT be taught in schools.
@divegeesterWill you ban ALL religions from teaching the miraculous, the myths and the counter science, or just your pet target Christianity?
What I would ban is deliberately teaching children falsehoods.what about the systemic abuse of women by Islam?
There are unpleasant aspects of all religions from Islamic suppression of women ...[text shortened]... of cheese or that the universe came into being 11,000 years ago because science has disproved both.
@suzianne saidDid you notice the question mark at the end of my post?
Your limited imagination tends to limit what you think I think.
Unjustifiably, to be sure. I know you're in a hurry to nay-say what I think, but to be fair, you might wait until you hear it from me.
And since you’re an evolutionist, I think that was a fair question and hardly indicative of me being in a hurry to nay-say what you think.
That, in fact, was what you did to me when I truthfully said I had lost 120 pounds in seven months.
First you implied I was lying. Then you said I had jeopardized my health and may have caused great damage to my body.
Instead of asking questions, you trashed me and what I accomplished back then - all of which was done under a doctor’s supervision - and the reason you did it is because what I wrote disagreed with one of your partisan political narratives.
In my opinion, you’re an incredibly partisan and closed-minded person who thinks conservatives can do no right and liberals can do no wrong.
It’s an incredibly immature way of thinking and indicative of someone who’s been willingly brainwashed by left-wing media.
@suzianne saidThe words “separation of church and state” are nowhere mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. What is mentioned is that Congress shall not make a law establishing a religion or prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
No, sorry. America has a de facto separation of church and state because of the First Amendment. Trying to join their functions in one body is a recipe for disaster. Religion should NOT be taught in schools.
And that was put in the Constitution to protect religion from the government - not the other way around.
@suzianne saidI usually respect your comments, suzianne, as you seem a well-balanced individual. I am, therefore, surprised you would ban the teaching of religion in schools. As you know I am a die-hard atheist, but I absolutely respect the right of each person to make his or her choice. How can they make this choice if Religion, by which I mean ALL religions, as well as creationism and evolution, is not covered in the curriculum. The spiritual search is primal in all of us (well, apart from my wife it would seem [but that’s another story]) and children love to discuss it.
No, sorry. America has a de facto separation of church and state because of the First Amendment. Trying to join their functions in one body is a recipe for disaster. Religion should NOT be taught in schools.
@pianoman1 saidI would have no problem with religion being taught in school as an elective, but I’d confine the course to the world’s major religions.
I usually respect your comments, suzianne, as you seem a well-balanced individual. I am, therefore, surprised you would ban the teaching of religion in schools. As you know I am a die-hard atheist, but I absolutely respect the right of each person to make his or her choice. How can they make this choice if Religion, by which I mean ALL religions, as well as creationism and ...[text shortened]... (well, apart from my wife it would seem [but that’s another story]) and children love to discuss it.
And I have no problem with the theory of evolution being taught in schools as long as it’s not taught as fact and its many flaws are taught as well.
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@pianoman1 saidGive me the evolutionary chain that you believe brought us to where we are and I’ll give you an honest opinion. The problem with evolution is that there are many variants not all agreeing on order of development, and Christianity is a bit the same, with lots of variants around the same theme.
Children in some parts of the US are being subjected to mental abuse.
They are being taught Creationism. Not as a theory to balance Evolution, but as a fact. This is a thought crime that should be condemned by all right-thinking people. Teachers and parents are blocking off the tsunami of scientific evidence, and putting their faith in a book written some 4000 years ago by ...[text shortened]... ma, Tennessee, South Carolina and Wisconsin - the so-called Bible Belt.
This MUST stop.
Responses?
So please tell me what you want taught in schools other than the general op, say six key stepping stones from ape to homo sapiens, including where it happened if you can.
The course on major world religions should not only include the beliefs of those religions but the evidence for those beliefs.
For example, what’s the evidence that God spoke to the prophet Muhammad?
What’s the evidence that Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead?
What’s the evidence that God gave Moses the law at Mount Sinai and saved the Israelites from captivity in Egypt through plagues and the parting of the Red Sea?
Belief in God requires faith, but that doesn’t necessarily mean no evidence exists for a particular religion or belief.