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@josephw
Confirmation bias.
You deliberately twist what I have said to bolster your belief.
I think what you want is to brainwash children into believing God is dead and evolution is the science of the enlightened atheist.
Untrue. Most religious leaders, archbishops, bishops, the pope etc now believe in Evolution. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.
I think you need to scratch the surface a bit more with that.
You're a propagandist with an agenda. Stay away from children.
Propaganda means information of a biased or misleading nature used to promote a political cause. Not sure how my OP can be accused of that - still, you have your axe to grind.
Stay away from children? Thanks for the advice, but on reflection I think not. Difficult, as I am a professor who has devoted his life to promoting freedom of thought amongst the young. Your cancel culture is so typical of today’s woke society. Depressing.
@pianoman1 saidYou contradict yourself. You say you promote "freedom of thought", yet you promote the idea that teaching creationism is a "thought crime".
@josephw
Confirmation bias.
You deliberately twist what I have said to bolster your belief.I think what you want is to brainwash children into believing God is dead and evolution is the science of the enlightened atheist.
Untrue. Most religious leaders, archbishops, bishops, the pope etc now believe in Evolution. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.
...[text shortened]... of thought amongst the young. Your cancel culture is so typical of today’s woke society. Depressing.
Which is true? "In the beginning God created...", or "in the nebulous past mindless matter congealed by chance..."
I'm all for teaching evolution in school, but not at the exclusion of teaching the alternative view.
Allow freedom of thought to flourish, and let human beings decide what they choose to believe.
In a hundred years, maybe less, the truth will out.
I hope I'm around to see that.
In the mean time I'd like to apologize for my apparent crass comments.
I speak as a creationist, but hopefully an even handed one.
You cannot categorically prove the existence of God at the moment (pending some major disclosing event); one can examine the scriptures and judge for themselves on the evidence presented. At the day the honest truth is that the existence of God is an opinion/feeling.
Evolution is the same, it is an opinion, not provable.
The day anyone invites the state (who will happily oblige if you open that door I'm sure) to decide opinions we are on a very dangerous slippery slope. The state (especially since the Covid crisis) is looking to interfere in our opinion formation at a frightening rate, especially here in Britain.
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@josephw saidThank you for your apology - quite rare on this site.
You contradict yourself. You say you promote "freedom of thought", yet you promote the idea that teaching creationism is a "thought crime".
Which is true? "In the beginning God created...", or "in the nebulous past mindless matter congealed by chance..."
I'm all for teaching evolution in school, but not at the exclusion of teaching the alternative view.
Allow freedom ...[text shortened]... pe I'm around to see that.
In the mean time I'd like to apologize for my apparent crass comments.
I have enjoyed our little skirmishes and hope they continue in a good-spirited vein.
You contradict yourself. You say you promote "freedom of thought", yet you promote the idea that teaching creationism is a "thought crime".
What I believe I said was that teaching creationism as the accepted truth to the exclusion of everything else was a thought crime, and particularly in regard to the Universe only being 11,000 years old. I have said before, and I will repeat it, I am very much in favour of discussing ALL theories in this respect.
Which is true? "In the beginning God created...", or "in the nebulous past mindless matter congealed by chance..."
To be brutally honest I don’t the answer to this. I favour evolution and the Big Bang theory, but if the clouds were to suddenly unfurl and and a majestic voice were to announce it was His doing, then I guess I would concur.
Allow freedom of thought to flourish, and let human beings decide what they choose to believe.
ABSOLUTELY!!
@medullah saidExcept that creationism is a belief which, as you say, cannot be proved, whereas I think you are on slightly shakier ground with evolution. There is some scientific evidence to back it up.
I speak as a creationist, but hopefully an even handed one.
You cannot categorically prove the existence of God at the moment (pending some major disclosing event); one can examine the scriptures and judge for themselves on the evidence presented. At the day the honest truth is that the existence of God is an opinion/feeling.
Evolution is the same, it is an opinion, n ...[text shortened]... is looking to interfere in our opinion formation at a frightening rate, especially here in Britain.
@medullah saidI can get on board with that. Almost! 🙂
I speak as a creationist, but hopefully an even handed one.
You cannot categorically prove the existence of God at the moment (pending some major disclosing event); one can examine the scriptures and judge for themselves on the evidence presented. At the day the honest truth is that the existence of God is an opinion/feeling.
Evolution is the same, it is an opinion, n ...[text shortened]... is looking to interfere in our opinion formation at a frightening rate, especially here in Britain.
Biblically speaking, with regards to the "state", and its apparent incursion into our societal and individual liberties, this drama will play out. It's an exciting day to be alive and a witness to it.
@pianoman1 said🙂
Thank you for your apology - quite rare on this site.
I have enjoyed our little skirmishes and hope they continue in a good-spirited vein.You contradict yourself. You say you promote "freedom of thought", yet you promote the idea that teaching creationism is a "thought crime".
What I believe I said was that teaching creationism as the accepted truth to ...[text shortened]... thought to flourish, and let human beings decide what they choose to believe. [/quote]
ABSOLUTELY!!
@pianoman1 saidI am in total agreement Creation cannot be proven, it is not based on scientific evidence though that evidence may support it. Creation is a narrative, a story passed down through time that speaks to the beginning of the universe.
Except that creationism is a belief which, as you say, cannot be proved, whereas I think you are on slightly shakier ground with evolution. There is some scientific evidence to back it up.
Now if you have an alternative based on evidence please provide that. You mentioned evolution as if that was an different choice but evolution doesn’t address the beginning of all things. Abiogenesis addresses life from non-life, it does so with no evidence that cannot be used to support design. The Big Bang doesn’t address it either since something somewhere had to go Bang! Something and somewhere are part of everything so no evidence there. What do you have but faith?
@kellyjay saidWhere in the bible is there evidence that creation is about the beginning of the universe?
I am in total agreement Creation cannot be proven, it is not based on scientific evidence though that evidence may support it. Creation is a narrative, a story passed down through time that speaks to the beginning of the universe.
Now if you have an alternative based on evidence please provide that. You mentioned evolution as if that was an different choice but evolution ...[text shortened]... ng! Something and somewhere are part of everything so no evidence there. What do you have but faith?
@pianoman1 said1) Yes, exactly. I've been beating that drum here for years.
@josephw
Untrue. Most religious leaders, archbishops, bishops, the pope etc now believe in Evolution. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.
I think you need to scratch the surface a bit more with that.
Stay away from children? Thanks for the advice, but on reflection I think not. Difficult, as I am a professor who has devoted his life to promoting freedom of thought amongst the young. Your cancel culture is so typical of today’s woke society. Depressing.
2) I agree, but I have to add that "cancel culture" was created by those who want to keep people from being "woke". Being woke is a good thing. Most white people, for example, could benefit from waking up and learning more about black culture. They aren't savages, and continuing to claim so holds our societies back.
The world definitely needs more freedom of thought. There's nothing like seeing the light bulb come on in a young person.
@suzianne said<<Most white people, for example, could benefit from waking up and learning more about black culture. They aren't savages, and continuing to claim so holds our societies back.>>
1) Yes, exactly. I've been beating that drum here for years.
2) I agree, but I have to add that "cancel culture" was created by those who want to keep people from being "woke". Being woke is a good thing. Most white people, for example, could benefit from waking up and learning more about black culture. They aren't savages, and continuing to claim so holds ou ...[text shortened]... eeds more freedom of thought. There's nothing like seeing the light bulb come on in a young person.
There are savages in the black race, just like there are savages in the white race and every other race. Your tendency - and the tendency of liberals - to view people in terms of race and to form opinions about them based on race is revolting.
*Some* rap music glorifies violence and misogyny and is complete garbage. I only say “some” because I haven’t heard all of it.
When the black population in America is repeatedly told by white daddy liberal and white momma liberal that America is a racist country, the deck is stacked against them, they’ll never succeed, etc., it’s no wonder blacks who listen to that liberal propaganda become resentful and angry and sometimes lash out.
That false message from white daddy liberal and white momma liberal has done more to damage blacks than just about anything - other than the destruction of the nuclear family via out-of-wedlock births.
Think I’m a racist for saying that? Read Thomas Sowell, a black conservative who knows how evil liberals are. Or Armstrong Williams.
Or do they not count as black people because they left the liberal plantation and rejected white daddy liberal and white momma liberal as their masters and benefactors?