Christian terrorism – the wrath of god

Originally posted by whodey
So if I could prove to you that innocent civilians were killed in large numbers during "D Day" as collateral damage, I could then prove to you that the allies were terrorists?

No. I'll elaborate on my definition of "terrorism" ...

The avoidable mass killing of innocent people and regarding them as little more than "collateral damage".

Again, Bush is more of a terrorist than Bin Laden.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Humanity itself is the crime. God paid the price.

Well, isn't that a pithy bit of nonsense?

If humanity itself is the crime, then god is the criminal. For god (supposedly) caused the crime by creating humans in the first place. The assertion that god "paid the price" is laughable.

Originally posted by ChristTerror
No. I'll elaborate on my definition of "terrorism" ...

The avoidable mass killing of innocent people and regarding them as little more than "collateral damage".

Again, Bush is more of a terrorist than Bin Laden.

You seem to be shifting around somewhat. At first we are talking about Christianity verses Islam and getting to know one another and now we are talking about Bush. Make no mistake about it, Bush is head of a secular state despite the fact he may profess to be a Christian. I do not make it a habit of defending secular heads of state, however, you have just charged the President with knowingly pursuing civilian deaths verses military targets. I presume you have evidence of this?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Every death a sin of God in your opinion than throughout all time?
Kelly

I'm afraid your post is unintelligible. Please clarify.

Originally posted by rwingett
Well, isn't that a pithy bit of nonsense?

If humanity itself is the crime, then god is the criminal. For god (supposedly) caused the crime by creating humans in the first place. The assertion that god "paid the price" is laughable.

Crime, being an offense, aptly describes what man has been to God. God did not cause man to be an offense; He created man perfect. Man chose to become offensive to God. God pardoned man's offense by paying the penalty Himself.

Originally posted by whodey
Is it wrong to kill in ANY circumstance? If not then which circumstances are justifiable in your humble opinion? If so then we should disarm law inforcement. If that happens may I suggest you buy a gun.

I suppose there very well may be circumstances where killing may be condoned. But drowning virtually the entire popultion of the earth is not one of them. Genocide can never be condoned on any level. That is especially so for a supposedly omnipotent being, who could have accomplished his goals by any number of means that do not involve genocide.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Crime, being an offense, aptly describes what man has been to God. God did not cause man to be an offense; He created man perfect. Man chose to become offensive to God. God pardoned man's offense by paying the penalty Himself.

It is just this kind of self loathing and self imposed guilt that makes me glad I am no longer a Christian.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Crime, being an offense, aptly describes what man has been to God. God did not cause man to be an offense; He created man perfect. Man chose to become offensive to God. God pardoned man's offense by paying the penalty Himself.

Mankind has behaved exactly as god created him to. If god, being omniscient, had wanted a different outcome from humanity, he would have altered the starting input. We can only conclude that mankind has behaved exactly as god intended.

Originally posted by rwingett
I'm afraid your post is unintelligible. Please clarify.

There seems to be someone saying that God sinned because
God directed some to die, and I'm asking you if every death that
ever occured was also a sin of God?
Kelly

Originally posted by Ullr
It is just this kind of self loathing and self imposed guilt that makes me glad I am no longer a Christian.

Sure, that's me: just a big ol' bag of guilt and self-hatred. But don't you worry: just go back to sleep and it will all be alright in the morning.

Originally posted by rwingett
Mankind has behaved exactly as god created him to. If god, being omniscient, had wanted a different outcome from humanity, he would have altered the starting input. We can only conclude that mankind has behaved exactly as god intended.

Well that makes too much sense.

Unfortunately though the God of Abraham, despite being all powerful and all knowing, is insecure and therefore needs his subjects to affirm their loyalty constantly. When he doesn't get the attention that he craves, well that's when bad things happen.

Originally posted by rwingett
Mankind has behaved exactly as god created him to. If god, being omniscient, had wanted a different outcome from humanity, he would have altered the starting input. We can only conclude that mankind has behaved exactly as god intended.

I beg to differ, man acts as man wants, what God wanted does not
mean that was what God got, God gave us free will. You cannot be
judged on what you had no choice in doing.
Kelly

Originally posted by rwingett
Mankind has behaved exactly as god created him to. If god, being omniscient, had wanted a different outcome from humanity, he would have altered the starting input. We can only conclude that mankind has behaved exactly as god intended.

There you go with your 'there is no will' thing again. I demand that you move from that position. Now!

Originally posted by KellyJay
There seems to be someone saying that God sinned because
God directed some to die, and I'm asking you if every death that
ever occured was also a sin of God?
Kelly

First of all, I have no use for the concept of 'sin.' But wether god is responsible for every death throughout history is irrelevant. The fact is that he's responsible for a great number of them (if the bible is to be believed).

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
There you go with your 'there is no will' thing again. I demand that you move from that position. Now!

Freewill is incompatible with an omniscient god.