1. Standard memberRBHILL
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    “They found the casket of Jesus”
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    1. Explain to me why a poor family from Bethlehem would be buried in a middle class grave in Jerusalem.
    2. Mary, Jesus and Joseph were the most popular names in Israel at this time. That is why the Jewish archaeologists who first discovered these caskets in 1980 NEVER claimed these belonged to the family of Jesus. The odds are too preposterous.
    3. Israeli archaeologist Joel Rosenberg believes this new film is nonsense.
    4. So does Jewish archaeologist Amos Kloner.
    5. There is no credible evidence that Jesus was ever married. The only possible reference to Jesus being married is in a 14th century manuscript (Acts of Phillip) that nobody deems credible.
    6. There is no evidence that Jesus had children.
    7. They claim they have proof that Jesus had a baby. We can’t even determine the father of Anna Nicole Smith’s baby. (Jay Leno)
    8. As there is no credible evidence that Jesus was married with children, this discovery does not prove that Jesus was married; it proves that these caskets don’t belong to Jesus. If Jesus was not married to Mary, this whole theory collapses.
    9. If Jesus had a wife and children, wouldn’t Jesus have told John to only take care of His mother when He was on the cross?
    10. Jesus son of Joseph is hardly legible.
    11. Professor Stephen Pfann in Jerusalem believes the name “Jesus” should actually be interpreted “Hanun.”
    12. For such an esteemed Rabbi, the family sure did a sloppy job of inscribing His name on the casket.
    13. Jesus is never referred to as “The son of Joseph” in early Christian witness. That is the inscription on the casket.
    14. If you were going to hide a casket, would you put it in Jerusalem and label it “Jesus”?
    15. Why did they only test the DNA of the Jesus and Miriamne casket and not the caskets of the others? Because if they discovered that the DNA didn’t match, their story would crumble.
    16. The scientist who did the limited DNA testing said, “Don’t be deceived by the media. This type of DNA testing cannot test every relationship.”
    17. There is no DNA baseline available to prove this was the burial box of Jesus.
    18. Miriamne e Mara is not legible, they are speculating.
    19. Miriamne e Mara is almost certainly interpreted wrong. “Mara” is probably a contraction of Martha and is probably a second name.
    20. Miriamne is NOT Mary Magdalene. Mary Magdalene is not written on the casket.
    21. Is the Yose (Joseph) married to Maria? Who knows?
    22. Is Jesus married to Miriamne? Who knows?
    23. The name Miriamne is not found in any credible text. Not one. The only time that we can find the name Miriamne is in reference to Herod’s wife, Miriamne.
    24. Matya (they claim that is Matthew) is found on one of the caskets. If this is Matthew, why would Jesus’ disciple be buried with him?
    25. There is no evidence that Jesus had a brother named Matthew.
    26. Defenders claim that if Joseph and Mary had more children than what the Bible lists, “The name Matthew is consistent with the type of name that Mary and Joseph might have named one of their children.” That is not a credible argument.
    27. They simply left Matthew out of the picture to make the statistical analysis look better.
    28. They are doing their statistics backwards. They start with the presupposition that this is Jesus tomb and then try to determine the odds. You can’t do that.
    29. If we found a gravesite today with the names John and David, John’s son (the equivalent to Jesus and Joseph) could we conclude which John this was? How many John’s have had a wife named Mary and a child name David in the last two centuries? Then if you knew that David was unmarried and from Los Angeles, but the tomb was found in New York, would you feel confident you had identified the right David?
    30. Joseph’s tomb is missing. Why?
    31. Jesus’ half-brother Jude is missing. Why?
    32. Jesus’ half brother Simon is missing. Why?
    33. Jesus sisters may be missing. Why?
    34. If Jesus was buried and didn’t rise from the dead, why did Jesus’ half brother, James, die preaching that Jesus rose from the dead?
    35. Ditto for Jude.
    36. How could the family have kept this a secret from the early church?
    37. Wouldn’t the Romans been able to find this casket and end the dispute?
    38. Wouldn’t the Jews happily dug up this casket to put an end to this new Jewish cult named Christianity?
    39. Trying to resolve whose caskets these are is like trying to figure who put the first dagger in Julius Caesar.
    40. While science and CSI techniques can be helpful, we don’t have a time machine to take us back to the first century.
    41. Eisegesis is when you form a conclusion and then go find the evidence for your theory. That is what they have done here.
    42. There are a thousand scenarios to explain this. To assign ownership to Jesus is simply not reasonable.
    43. We have films and eyewitnesses of the JFK assassination and we still can’t figure out who killed him.
    44. If this were a civil case, it would be laughed out of court.
    45. Wow! You trust this film more than the Bible? Now that’s faith. The Bible is a more reliable source of information than this circus of evidence.
    Sources: Dr. Albert Mohler (www.albertmohler.com) Dr. James White (www.aomin.org ), Dennis Ingolfsland (www.reclinercommentaries.com)
    Nathan Busenitz (http://faithandpractice.blogspot.com/)
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    17 Mar '07 18:19
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    “They found the casket of Jesus”
    45 Pithy Comebacks
    1. Explain to me why a poor family from Bethlehem would be buried in a middle class grave in Jerusalem.
    2. Mary, Jesus and Joseph were the most popular names in Israel at this time. That is why the Jewish archaeologists who first discovered these caskets in 1980 NEVER claimed these belonged to the family ...[text shortened]... olfsland (www.reclinercommentaries.com)
    Nathan Busenitz (http://faithandpractice.blogspot.com/)
    RB, did you know that Albert Mohler now thinks it is possible that being gay has a genetic source? What do you think of that?
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    17 Mar '07 19:09
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    “They found the casket of Jesus”
    45 Pithy Comebacks
    1. Explain to me why a poor family from Bethlehem would be buried in a middle class grave in Jerusalem.
    2. Mary, Jesus and Joseph were the most popular names in Israel at this time. That is why the Jewish archaeologists who first discovered these caskets in 1980 NEVER claimed these belonged to the family ...[text shortened]... olfsland (www.reclinercommentaries.com)
    Nathan Busenitz (http://faithandpractice.blogspot.com/)
    I can see it coming now RB. The atheist and liberals are gonna tear it apart.
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    17 Mar '07 21:40
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    RB, did you know that Albert Mohler now thinks it is possible that being gay has a genetic source? What do you think of that?
    I agree with him in a way.
    Becasue we are all born with the blood of sin we get the geans of sin when we are born so everyone born into sin has a chance to be gay.
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    17 Mar '07 21:52
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    I agree with him in a way.
    Becasue we are all born with the blood of sin we get the geans of sin when we are born so everyone born into sin has a chance to be gay.
    I thought our behaviors were sinful. How can we be held accountable for something beyond our control?
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    17 Mar '07 21:56
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    I thought our behaviors were sinful. How can we be held accountable for something beyond our control?
    That is why you repent and turn from your sin as Jesus says to do.
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    17 Mar '07 22:231 edit
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    That is why you repent and turn from your sin as Jesus says to do.
    You know people once thought that it was a sin to be black. How can a black man repent from a "sin" he has no control over?

    OK, I went back to read what he said on his website. RB, that is appalling. He still believe that it is a sin even if it has a genetic or biological basis.
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    17 Mar '07 22:59
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    You know people once thought that it was a sin to be black. How can a black man repent from a "sin" he has no control over?

    OK, I went back to read what he said on his website. RB, that is appalling. He still believe that it is a sin even if it has a genetic or biological basis.
    I don't really care about peoples definitions of what sin is and isn't.
    The only thing that will keep you out of heaven is rejecting God's only why there. (John 14:6)
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    17 Mar '07 23:14
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    I don't really care about peoples definitions of what sin is and isn't.
    The only thing that will keep you out of heaven is rejecting God's only why there. (John 14:6)
    Good. I'm glad we can agree that gays can be Christian.
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    18 Mar '07 00:12
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    Good. I'm glad we can agree that gays can be Christian.
    I have to question your reasoning here based on 1 Corinthians 6:11.

    "And such WERE some of you:"... Emphasis mine.

    Notice the past tense.
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    18 Mar '07 00:16
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    Good. I'm glad we can agree that gays can be Christian.
    No, people are not born christians you have to become one.

    A person born in sin if he is gay or not. If he is not gay and accepts Christ, then christ will help him grow out of his bondage what ever it is.
    If a gay man comes to Christ, then Christ will help him come out of his sin bondage of being gay. And yes after he accepts Christ and has a gay experience again he can ask for forgiveness. And he will learn from his mistakes.
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    18 Mar '07 00:21
    Originally posted by josephw
    I have to question your reasoning here based on 1 Corinthians 6:11.

    "And such WERE some of you:"... Emphasis mine.

    Notice the past tense.
    And I agree with you here. They once where gay sinners. But know after becoming Christians (in Christ) they can change their sinful ways.
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    18 Mar '07 00:24
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    No, people are not born christians you have to become one.

    A person born in sin if he is gay or not. If he is not gay and accepts Christ, then christ will help him grow out of his bondage what ever it is.
    If a gay man comes to Christ, then Christ will help him come out of his sin bondage of being gay. And yes after he accepts Christ and has a gay experience again he can ask for forgiveness. And he will learn from his mistakes.
    You are repellent, your outlook should be met with the same sort of indignation that racism is.
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    18 Mar '07 00:27
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    No, people are not born christians you have to become one.

    A person born in sin if he is gay or not. If he is not gay and accepts Christ, then christ will help him grow out of his bondage what ever it is.
    If a gay man comes to Christ, then Christ will help him come out of his sin bondage of being gay. And yes after he accepts Christ and has a gay experience again he can ask for forgiveness. And he will learn from his mistakes.
    So you truly believe that being homosexual is a sin against God? I can't say I agree with that...
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    18 Mar '07 00:38
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    So you truly believe that being homosexual is a sin against God? I can't say I agree with that...
    Jesus says lusting after someone is adultary so why not being gay. Sin is sin no matter how big or small who cares what I say or anyone else says sin is or isn't. Repent is what Jesus says and turn to God.
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