Originally posted by Staryman
Marriage existed well before Christianity and in communities that worshipped alternate and even no gods. Christians just stamped their unjustified mark on it.

No kidding. Marriage has been around since the beginning of recorded history. And it's always been between a man and a woman.

But now the homosexuals want to change it to fit their unfortunate lifestyle.

Originally posted by josephw
No kidding. Marriage has been around since the beginning of recorded history. And it's always been between a man and a woman.

But now the homosexuals want to change it to fit their unfortunate lifestyle.

what is the problem? if two people want to get married why should anyone outside of the marriage care about it?

Originally posted by visteed
The English word “abomination” strikes us as pretty, well, abominable. However, the Hebrew word toevah refers not to wickedness, or sin—but to uncleanness, impurity.

“The significance of the term toevah becomes clear when you realize that another Hebrew term, zimah, could have been used—if that was what the authors intended. [i]Zima ...[text shortened]... stion. More than that, the Bible seems deliberately unconcerned about it.”

(All bolds mine.)

Well, if an act or behavior is unclean or impure it's a sin. One doesn't have to be a genius to figure that out.

It appears, to me, that all you're doing is making the simple truth sound complicated in order to justify evil behavior.

Originally posted by josephw
Well, if an act or behavior is unclean or impure it's a sin. One doesn't have to be a genius to figure that out.

It appears, to me, that all you're doing is making the simple truth sound complicated in order to justify evil behavior.

Yes, deducing the *actual* meaning of the words in the original language....how "complex" of him. Only the devil himself could come up with such a nefarious plot!

Originally posted by josephw
Well, if an act or behavior is unclean or impure it's a sin. One doesn't have to be a genius to figure that out.

It appears, to me, that all you're doing is making the simple truth sound complicated in order to justify evil behavior.

Geez, one would think that you would embrace any new evidence that mitigates your standing as a complete and utter bigot.

You still haven't demonstrated exactly why homosexuality (or just homosexual activity? -- it's really not yet clear to me exactly how far your bigotry extends) is 'evil'. You've stated that it is an 'obimination' before God*, which even if true is beside the point because there is no implicatory relation between being abominable before any agent and being morally wrong; and even if there were some forced connection (based on the presumed definition of 'God' maybe or based on some crazy subjectivist view of morality), this would still fail to provide any real substance as to why I should take your claims seriously. And now you've stated in content that homosexuality is wrong because it is "unclean or impure", which I'm guessing amounts either to some form of the naturalistic fallacy or to just plain old question begging. So what exactly is the substantive argument that undergirds your stance against homosexuality? Or do you not have one?

*You also stated here that it is also an 'obimination' before anyone with an ounce of common sense. That's false -- I know lots of counterexamples.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Genesis talks about the first Marraige.

But I guess we, I mean you won't find out the truth until you die or Christ comes back or if God has truly predistaned you to be saved you will be. And GLORY to God if someday you accept Christ.

Please don't talk to me anymore, you make me want to punch something.

Originally posted by josephw
No kidding. Marriage has been around since the beginning of recorded history. And it's always been between a man and a woman.

But now the homosexuals want to change it to fit their unfortunate lifestyle.

That doesn't hold at all, marriage is not the domain of christians alone. If that's the case give me one reason why marriage cannot be between same sex partners, excluding your 'god says so' stance.

Originally posted by Starrman
That doesn't hold at all, marriage is not the domain of christians alone. If that's the case give me one reason why marriage cannot be between same sex partners, excluding your 'god says so' stance.

Other than fairies and half the Democrats, the people will never vote for it here in America.
Good enough reason for me.

Originally posted by jammer
Other than fairies and half the Democrats, the people will never vote for it here in America.
Good enough reason for me.

That's not a reason, that's idiocy.

Originally posted by Starrman
That's not a reason, that's idiocy.

No .. idiocy would be living in Greenland and calling yourself a Starman.

Iceman would be more fitting, Idiotman even more so.

Originally posted by jammer
No .. idiocy would be living in Greenland and calling yourself a Starman.

Iceman would be more fitting, Idiotman even more so.

Lol, are you going to start calling me names? How old are you?

Originally posted by jammer
Other than fairies and half the Democrats, the people will never vote for it here in America.
Good enough reason for me.

Well, that's the same kind of reasoning that preventing whites and black from marrying each other. The same kind of reasoning that kept slavery in place. Same kind of reasonng that kept women from the right to vote.

Originally posted by Starrman
Please don't talk to me anymore, you make me want to punch something.

Then stop posting.

Originally posted by jammer
Other than fairies and half the Democrats, the people will never vote for it here in America.
Good enough reason for me.

What a moronic thing to say. Truly, truly sad.

Originally posted by jammer
Other than fairies and half the Democrats, the people will never vote for it here in America.
Good enough reason for me.

And lol Bill Clinton as first Lady.