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Originally posted by rwingett
Learning a trade is not a restricted to capitalism. There will surely be carpenters and tent makers in the Kingdom.

the very term 'trade', implies some type of commerce.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Glasgow has a proud socialist tradition, but we are not communists, and the distinctions are not subtle nor a perception, its a fact. You have claimed through your text that socialism and communism are one and the same, not so.

Have...no...interest...

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the very term 'trade', implies some type of commerce.

Then use a different word if it bothers you.

Originally posted by rwingett
You are truly blind, Divegeester. Any fool can see the great number of passages condemning the rich.

Btw... Have you ever met anyone else who believes we should all live in one big cave with a shared toilet?



Abraham

Through a personal relationship with Jesus, according to Galatians 3:14, Jesus made the blessings of Abraham available to anyone that will have them. Abraham was an extremely rich, successful and prosperous man!

And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold. – Genesis 13:2

And the LORD hath blessed my master greatly; and he is become great: and he hath given him flocks, and herds, and silver, and gold, and menservants, and maidservants, and camels, and asses. – Genesis 24:35

Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him. - Isaiah 51:2

Isaac

Then Isaac sowed in that land, and received in the same year an hundredfold: and the LORD blessed him. And the man waxed great, and went forward, and grew until he became very great: For he had possession of flocks, and possession of herds, and great store of servants: and the Philistines envied him. – Genesis 26:12-14

Jacob

And Esau took his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the persons of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance, which he had got in the land of Canaan; and went into the country from the face of his brother Jacob. For their riches were more than that they might dwell together; and the land wherein they were strangers could not bear them because of their cattle. – Genesis 36:6-7

David

And he died in a good old age, full of days, riches, and honour: and Solomon his son reigned in his stead. - 1 Chronicles 29:28

King David stated, I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread [Psalms 37:25]. The LORD knows the days of the upright; and their inheritance shall be for ever. They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied. The NLT reads, "they will survive through hard times; even in famine they will have more than enough [Psalms 37:18-19, Proverbs 10:3].

Solomon

And King Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom. - 2 Chronicles 9:22
Jehoshaphat

Therefore the LORD established the kingdom in his hand; and all Judah brought to Jehoshaphat presents; and he had riches and honour in abundance. – 2 Chronicles 17:5

Hezekiah

Notwithstanding Hezekiah humbled himself for the pride of his heart, both he and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the wrath of the LORD came not upon them in the days of Hezekiah. And Hezekiah had exceeding much riches and honour: and he made himself treasuries for silver, and for gold, and for precious stones, and for spices, and for shields, and for all manner of pleasant jewels; Storehouses also for the increase of corn, and wine, and oil; and stalls for all manner of beasts, and cotes for flocks. - 2 Chronicles 32:26-28

Joseph of Arimathaea

When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple: He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. - Matthew 27:57

Originally posted by rwingett
Have...no...interest...

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I dont care if you are interested or not, you have uttered a gross inaccuracy, you were wrong in assigning to the Hutterites the designation of socialism when in fact that are communists. The fact that you are uninterested has absolutely no bearing on this fact.

Originally posted by rwingett
Then use a different word if it bothers you.

it doesn't bother me, you simply dont know what you are talking about, that is not a reflection of me, but of you.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont care if you are interested or not, you have uttered a gross inaccuracy, you were wrong in assigning to the Hutterites the designation of socialism when in fact that are communists. The fact that you are uninterested has absolutely no bearing on this fact.

He seems to interested only in what comes out of his brain..... 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont care if you are interested or not, you have uttered a gross inaccuracy, you were wrong in assigning to the Hutterites the designation of socialism when in fact that are communists. The fact that you are uninterested has absolutely no bearing on this fact.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it doesn't bother me, you simply dont know what you are talking about, that is not a reflection of me, but of you.

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Originally posted by rwingett
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If you're not here to discuss, why are you here?

Originally posted by epiphinehas
If you're not here to discuss, why are you here?

His points were clear to me

True socialism will only be accomplished under the reign of Christ. I have no issue with the concept of socialism but its experiential effect on mankind is what I see as the problem. All forms of Government are flawed so pick the lesser of evils.




Manny

Originally posted by rwingett
The bible is filled with passages against the rich. It's one of the most frequently recurring topics. It's amazing, though, how so many Christians will simply ignore that and pretend that capitalism is somehow compatible with Christianity.

I agree.

Originally posted by epiphinehas
If you're not here to discuss, why are you here?

When somebody says something worth responding to, then I'll respond.

I haven't ruled out responding to your previous post yet. Robbie's posts, though, were not worth the time it took to type them.

Originally posted by divegeester
Btw... Have you ever met anyone else who believes we should all live in one big cave with a shared toilet?



[b]Abraham

Through a personal relationship with Jesus, according to Galatians 3:14, Jesus made the blessings of Abraham available to anyone that will have them. Abraham was an extremely rich, successful and prosperous man!

And Abram ...[text shortened]... and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered. - Matthew 27:57[/b]

Of that list, how many are associated with kind of greed and selfishness for which capitalism is notorious.

Those in your list are the opposite. They all put God first. They all did good works. None of them are guilty of just talking about their faith. They were all doers of good deeds and good works and God blessed them with prosperity.

Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Part of Rwingwett's beef with Christianity is that it has encouraged a breed of followers who are much llike the Pharisees or like the rich man in the story of The Rich Man and Lazarus.

I think XanthosNZ profile puts it nicely :

Each week, millions and millions of upper middle class American citizens put on expensive dress clothes, and load themselves into SUV's and drive past homeless shelters, orphanages, prisons, missions, and halfway houses on their way to a very expensive and nice church, where somebody tells them how to be more like Jesus...

Typical modern Christians and typical Christian Churches are very very far from the teachings of Christ.