Originally posted by divegeester Convince me I should follow your view or philosophy.
A recent exchange with robbie carrobie provoked me to thinking about openness to new ideas and how, no matter how "informed" or educated a person may claim to be, if they are closed to even the slightest piece of new information or revelation then they/you/me/us are trapped in our own, or worse, someone else's paradigm.
I want to be open.
Your mind wants to be open, wants this, wants that. You have no inherently existent self. If you do want to be open, to be this and to be that, evaluate your mind😵
Originally posted by KellyJay Why do you think being open is either a good thing or to be desired? You want
to be so wavy nothing is solid for you, you want to be swayed by every word
out of everyone's mouth? Look hard for the truth and stick with, just be sure
it is the truth.
Kelly
Why do you think being open is either a good thing or to be desired?
You think being open-minded is a bad thing Kelly?
You want to be so wavy nothing is solid for you, you want to be swayed by every word out of everyone's mouth?
It's not about being swayed, it's about being intellectually brave; for want of a better word, enough to listen to points of view which conflict with your own.
Look hard for the truth and stick with, just be sure it is the truth.
How is one to know when they have found the truth?
Originally posted by divegeester Convince me I should follow your view or philosophy.
A recent exchange with robbie carrobie provoked me to thinking about openness to new ideas and how, no matter how "informed" or educated a person may claim to be, if they are closed to even the slightest piece of new information or revelation then they/you/me/us are trapped in our own, or worse, someone else's paradigm.
I want to be open.
because.........[heavy breathing]........im your father!!
Originally posted by divegeester Convince me I should follow your view or philosophy.
Roughly what are your current beliefs? Are you a young earth creationist? Do you accept evolution? Do you believe everything in the Bible is the inspired word of God? What are your views on science and its validity as a method for determining facts about the universe?
Once I know your beliefs better, I can see where we differ and possibly convince you that my beliefs are closer to the truth.
Originally posted by KellyJay Why do you think being open is either a good thing or to be desired? You want
to be so wavy nothing is solid for you, you want to be swayed by every word
out of everyone's mouth? Look hard for the truth and stick with, just be sure
it is the truth.
Kelly
Why is being 'open' the same as 'being swayed by every word out of everyone's mouth'?
You can be genuinely open to arguments, and reject every one put in front of you. It is only if you do not consider them properly that you should be accused of not being open.
People often complain 'You're not listening to me' when really they mean 'You are not agreeing with me'.
Originally posted by karoly aczel I see some Christians take the bible as the original/primary truth. I disagree with that.
All spirituality should come from oneself first.
You say you are open; are these statements you have made representative of someone who is open?
Originally posted by KellyJay Why do you think being open is either a good thing or to be desired? You want
to be so wavy nothing is solid for you, you want to be swayed by every word
out of everyone's mouth? Look hard for the truth and stick with, just be sure
it is the truth.
Kelly
How does me being "open"mean that I am "swayed on every word of everyone's mouth"?
Originally posted by Taoman Openness, but not "following" or "convincing". Why? These words imply, for me, a threat to openness. They imply choosing one over the other. They imply too many defining edges. This can lead to the destruction of an open heart and mind. With openness all can then be ours.
If those words are accompanied with such words as "at present", "from this viewpoint" ...[text shortened]... I am trying to convince you to be open - I fail! Ah well, it was fun writing it.
Sounds like we need an agreed book of definitions.
I'm open to being convinced; but I'm no following you.
Originally posted by twhitehead Roughly what are your current beliefs? Are you a young earth creationist? Do you accept evolution? Do you believe everything in the Bible is the inspired word of God? What are your views on science and its validity as a method for determining facts about the universe?
Once I know your beliefs better, I can see where we differ and possibly convince you that my beliefs are closer to the truth.
You repeatedly surprise me with how little you know of me despite me posting here openly for several years. Besides, my current beliefs are not directly relevant in this discussion, yours are, I'm open to them if they are convincing.
Originally posted by divegeester Galveston sure what ya got?
divegeester How about you pick any one item from the catelogue of topics you and I have been debating here over the last 4 years, that you are open to change over. Any one...
Originally posted by divegeester You repeatedly surprise me with how little you know of me despite me posting here openly for several years. Besides, my current beliefs are not directly relevant in this discussion, yours are, I'm open to them if they are convincing.
I know very little about your beliefs also and yet we've been here the same amount of time. I know your a non-denominational Christian, who rejects the trinity doctrine who thinks that Islam is the work of the Devil. Other than that i couldn't tell you.
Originally posted by divegeester You repeatedly surprise me with how little you know of me despite me posting here openly for several years. Besides, my current beliefs are not directly relevant in this discussion, yours are, I'm open to them if they are convincing.
I tend to forget exactly who is who and what their exact beliefs are.
Although I do not need to know your exact current beliefs, I can hardly go about convincing you that you are wrong and I am right if I do not know where we differ. For example, if I start out explaining evolution to you, yet you don't have any objections to evolution theory, I would be rather wasting my time, wouldn't I?
There are hundreds or thousands of topics on which we have differing opinions / beliefs / understanding. I am simply not sure where to start. Any suggestions?
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27 Nov '12 05:13
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