Creation AND Evolution?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
And I think you require way more faith to believe life created itself than you need to believe that God did it.

I agree

Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
In what way specifically is my alleged confirmation bias showing?

You see what you are looking for.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Not disputing that however nothing done today would necessarily be how it was done in the beginning millions of years ago. So claiming we can see something today is not applicable millions of years ago.

What would be different millions of years ago, in the context of evolution?

Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
What would be different millions of years ago, in the context of evolution?

We could imagine that it would be the same or we could imagine that it would be different. Either way we would be imagining things and wouldn’t know for sure.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
We could imagine that it would be the same or we could imagine that it would be different. Either way we would be imagining things and wouldn’t know for sure.

So in your mind it's like imagining that salvation by faith alone is true?

Originally posted by @thinkofone
So in your mind it's like imagining that salvation by faith alone is true?

Ephesians 2:8-9 is not imagined. Read it for yourself.

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Ephesians 2:8-9 is not imagined. Read it for yourself.

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”

We could imagine that it would be true or we could imagine that it would not be true. Either way we would be imagining things and wouldn’t know for sure.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
We could imagine that it would be the same or we could imagine that it would be different. Either way we would be imagining things and wouldn’t know for sure.

Well, if things would be different that would leave empirical evidence that we could measure and analyze. As it happens, natural selection is such a simple and general phenomenon there is no reason to assume it would have worked any differently a million years ago, and an overwhelmingly massive body of evidence is consistent with it always having worked in the same manner.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
We could imagine that it would be true or we could imagine that it would not be true. Either way we would be imagining things and wouldn’t know for sure.

Or alternatively you could imagine that the scriptures are false but somehow the words of Jesus aren’t.

Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
Well, if things would be different that would leave empirical evidence that we could measure and analyze. As it happens, natural selection is such a simple and general phenomenon there is no reason to assume it would have worked any differently a million years ago, and an overwhelmingly massive body of evidence is consistent with it always having worked in the same manner.

Natural selection has been observed to change a baboon into a human now. Oh no wait we have to imagine that since we cannot observe it now as we imagine it happened millions of years ago.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Or alternatively you could imagine that the scriptures are false but somehow the words of Jesus aren’t.

Since you're once again slow on the uptake, I'll spell it out for you.

Yours was a meaningless argument. It can be applied to anything and imparts absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Natural selection has been observed to change a baboon into a human now. Oh no wait we have to imagine that since we cannot observe it now as we imagine it happened millions of years ago.

We have observed evidence that shows that baboons and humans share a common ancestor who lived some millions of years ago.

Read more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
We have observed evidence that shows that baboons and humans share a common ancestor who lived some millions of years ago.

Read more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

If that is what you are looking for that is what you will see. It could also be evidence of common design rather than common decent it all depends on how you interpret the evidence.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If that is what you are looking for that is what you will see. It could also be evidence of common design rather than common decent it all depends on how you interpret the evidence.

As it turns out, there is a lot of evidence in favour of common descent, and none in favour of "design." This is probably why the former is widely accepted in the scientific community, and the latter is not.

Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
As it turns out, there is a lot of evidence in favour of common descent, and none in favour of "design." This is probably why the former is widely accepted in the scientific community, and the latter is not.

As it turns out, there is a lot of evidence in favour of common descent, and none in favour of "design."

None? Really? I know plenty of people that would disagree.

This is probably why the former is widely accepted in the scientific community, and the latter is not.

Argumentum ad populum.