Originally posted by AThousandYoung I did not "come up with Brownian motion". Frogstomp did.
I am referring to this answer:
[b]The Earth probably formed about 4.5 billions years ago. It was a hot, inorganic ball of rock with oceans and an atmosphere containing nitrogen, carbon and hydrogen atoms in some gaseous form or another, but no oxygen gas (O2). I don't really know what ...[text shortened]... ed here.
Originally posted by dj2becker But no experiments have ever produced life. Interesting...
As far as I am aware, no experiments have been performed with the intention of creating life from non life. Therefore the fact that no life has been experimentally created abiotically means nothing. Do you know of any such experiments which failed?
Originally posted by AThousandYoung As far as I am aware, no experiments have been performed with the intention of creating life from non life. Therefore the fact that no life has been experimentally created abiotically means nothing. Do you know of any such experiments which failed?
Where would an experiment break into the cycle, since starting from scratch might involve too large a tank of the elements as well as time and energy factors to be feasible.
Originally posted by AThousandYoung As far as I am aware, no experiments have been performed with the intention of creating life from non life. Therefore the fact that no life has been experimentally created abiotically means nothing. Do you know of any such experiments which failed?
I read a while back in NewScientist that there are several private labs working on exactly this. The race is on to engineer the first organism from non-living materials.
Sounds like each lab is terrified that another will be the first. From reading the article, it seems like it might be even as few as 5 years. I asked Darfius (I think. It could have dj2) about it. Whoever it was said that Jesus will come back before man can create life from non-living materials. So if it's as close as it sounds, we might need to hang on to that post.
Originally posted by aardvarkhome produce me your god, you waste of space
Anyone say that God was produced from dead dirt? No, than I guess
you statement is a waste of space since no one said God was
created or formed from nothing; while people have said that every
thing has come from nothing (before the big bang) and life has
come from dead dirt at the beginning of all life. At least stay on
subject, if you are able.
Kelly
Originally posted by telerion I read a while back in NewScientist that there are several private labs working on exactly this. The race is on to engineer the first organism from non-living materials.
Sounds like each lab is terrified that another will be the first. From reading the article, it seems like it might be even as few as 5 years. I asked Darfius (I think. It could have ...[text shortened]... non-living materials. So if it's as close as it sounds, we might need to hang on to that post.
Really? Do you have any more info, like names of scientists or institutions or something else I can put into Google or PubMed?
Originally posted by frogstomp Where would an experiment break into the cycle, since starting from scratch might involve too large a tank of the elements as well as time and energy factors to be feasible.
Well, one would have to define 'life' and 'nonliving materials', and then start with the hypothesized precursors. Doing the whole experiment starting from hydrogen atoms (to participate in stellar fusion) or even further back is clearly not practical 😉.
I'll look through my magazines again and let you know. It sounded like each lab is very confidential about their particular methods, trying to compete with each other, but i'll let you know what I find.
Originally posted by KellyJay Anyone say that God was produced from dead dirt? No, than I guess
you statement is a waste of space since no one said God was
created or formed from nothing; while people have said that every
thing has come from nothing (before the big bang) and life has
come from dead dirt at the beginning of all life. At least stay on
subject, if you are able.
Kelly
No, he just magically always existed! And you have experimental, repeatable proof! What was it again?
Originally posted by no1marauder No, he just magically always existed! And you have experimental, repeatable proof! What was it again?
I have faith, you are the one who claims what you believe in can
be backed up by experimental repeatable proof, and like your
facts and many of the other things you have brought out, they are
simply facts only found between your ears nothing more.
Kelly
Originally posted by AThousandYoung Well, one would have to define 'life' and 'nonliving materials', and then start with the hypothesized precursors. Doing the whole experiment starting from hydrogen atoms (to participate in stellar fusion) or even further back is clearly not practical 😉.
Miller couldn't have had a big enough apparatus to produce all possible amino acids . There simply isn't a way to duplicate all the dynamics of the system. However they all should be synthesizable.
The system wasn't limited to one test tube.
A place to start is :make them and use them all. expose the batch to the fullest range of energy and include a high-voltage spark. And see what is produced.
Originally posted by telerion Actually I have watched large portions of some of his videos.
Their was a time, when like you, I embraced everything Ken Hamm, Duane Gish, Henry Morris, or Kent Hovind or whoever else told me. For about 5 years of my pre-college education, the curriculum I studied and was taught was written from the special creationist perspective. When I watched the ...[text shortened]... ays and then tell me that you think Hovind isn't a quack. I'll get the link up here in a bit.
So here are the scanned pictures of the placemat. Enjoy!
Creation Seminars
18 Jun '05 18:47
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