Creation Seminars

Originally posted by Coletti
Where are there literal fire breathing dragons in the Bible? I found references to "dragons." I found a "fiery red dragon" in Rev 12:3 but this "dragon" spit out a river, not fire. I could not find a "literal" dragon in scripture.

Fiery red dragons are the flag of my nation. Gwelwch y ddraig goch ar y faner Cymraeg.

Originally posted by telerion
The only reason Hovind claims that T-Rex breathed fire is that he believes he needs an ad hoc excuse to justify "dragons" in the Bible.

Even if I grant your position that an absence of proof against even a single possible dinosaur being fire-breathing, Hovind should still have to justify why he thinks that they did breathe fire. He has absolutely no e ...[text shortened]... s from him?

You've gotta call a con-man a crook, whether a xtian crook or a secular crook.

I did say that some believed that there were creatures that breathed
fire, and that they believed it was one of the dinosaurs too. As far
as the Bible is concern, I'm not at all concern about figuring out what
creature it was talking about. If Hovind wanted to say he believed that
that T-Rex breathed fire, I'd have to ask why too, just as you did and
others. Yet the conversations I had heard maintained that some
creatures people had seen years ago then passed down through text
and simple story telling did breathe fire; it was the things legends are
made of. You’d also have to look at it from my perspective (using my
beliefs of the earth age) that dinosaurs and people did walk the planet
at the same time too, so it would be a matter of legend and myth a
lot of things that occurred. I am aware of some that believe even
today there may be dinosaurs walking the planet in remote corners
now, if it is true or not I don’t know.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Anyone say that God was produced from dead dirt? No, than I guess
you statement is a waste of space since no one said God was
created or formed from nothing; while people have said that every
thing has come from nothing (before the big bang) and life has
come from dead dirt at the beginning of all life. At least stay on
subject, if you are able.
Kelly

Don't patronise me. Te reference to waste of space was a personal insult

Originally posted by dj2becker
If you answer Kelly's question you might get a reply: What evidence are you willing to accept?

Besides, It's kinda hard to show a spriritual entity to the spiritually blind😉

Kelly wanted evidence relating to ToE. Am I not entitled to ask for plausible evidence of the existance of god?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I did say that some believed that there were creatures that breathed
fire, and that they believed it was one of the dinosaurs too. As far
as the Bible is concern, I'm not at all concern about figuring out what
creature it was talking about. If Hovind wanted to say he believed that
that T-Rex breathed fire, I'd have to ask why too, just as you did and ...[text shortened]... dinosaurs walking the planet in remote corners
now, if it is true or not I don’t know.
Kelly

If you want to believe a few thousand years ago, dinosaurs and human beings were walking the Earth together go ahead; but don't expect rational people to do anything but laugh at such foolishness. People believe they are abducted by aliens or that their wife was stolen by Bigfoot, too, but you can't expect sane people to take such nonsense seriously. Ditto your idiotic beliefs.

Originally posted by aardvarkhome
Don't patronise me. Te reference to waste of space was a personal insult

Not patronizing you, I simply gave you credit for being able to follow
a discussion. The discussion you posted to had to do with life from
non-life, something we create. You spout off on show you God, which
had nothing to do with that science experiment. You don't like people
pointing out your failure to grasp a disucssion, read do not post other
wise just post and quit crying when someone disagrees with you. I
do not care enough about you to attempt to insult you personally, you
are just a name on a screen to me, I could care less if you are either
blessed or insulted by what we are talking about.
Kelly

Originally posted by no1marauder
If you want to believe a few thousand years ago, dinosaurs and human beings were walking the Earth together go ahead; but don't expect rational people to do anything but laugh at such foolishness. People believe they are abducted by aliens or that their wife was stolen by Bigfoot, too, but you can't expect sane people to take such nonsense seriously. Ditto your idiotic beliefs.

Laugh all you want, I'm not attempting to fit my views into the herds
just so I'm accepted. If I believe in something it will be because I
think it is true, if I'm in the main stream fine, if not that is fine too.
Kelly

Originally posted by dj2becker
You can freely download these Creation Seminars by Dr Kent Hovind. For any Bible believing Christians these seminars are a must-see. They are awesome. I could even recommend them to to any hard core evolutionist wrapped in cotton-wool. Th ...[text shortened]... life-changing.

http://www.biblebelievers.com/hovind/index.html

I invite you to attend my free cremation seminar . No charge to you dj . I'll even provide the matches and lighter fluid .

Originally posted by KellyJay
Not patronizing you, I simply gave you credit for being able to follow
a discussion. The discussion you posted to had to do with life from
non-life, something we create. You spout off on show you God, which
had nothing to do with that science experiment. You don't like people
pointing out your failure to grasp a disucssion, read do not post other
wise ...[text shortened]... I could care less if you are either
blessed or insulted by what we are talking about.
Kelly

I feel entitled to be irritated by a bunch of people who find nitpicking flaws in the methodology of science yet built their entire moral fabric on the suspension of disbelief. There is no 'proof' in the world I could offer you on ToE; no matter how overwhelming the evidence you will dibelieve it because it contradicts the jesus cult book.

So where is your incontrovertable evidence for god? You have none. Being basedf on faith you need none. So why the hypocritical double standards?

Originally posted by aardvarkhome
Kelly wanted evidence relating to ToE. Am I not entitled to ask for plausible evidence of the existance of god?

You asked about God, I asked what evidence you'd accept for God.
What would you look for if you were looking for God?
Kelly

Originally posted by aardvarkhome
I feel entitled to be irritated by a bunch of people who find nitpicking flaws in the methodology of science yet built their entire moral fabric on the suspension of disbelief. There is no 'proof' in the world I could offer you on ToE; no matter how overwhelming the evidence you will dibelieve it because it contradicts the jesus cult book.

So wher ...[text shortened]... d? You have none. Being basedf on faith you need none. So why the hypocritical double standards?

Fine with me, be irritated nothing wrong with that. You can give me
evidence for TOE, I may not accept the meaning you place on it, but
you can give it. The same thing can be true with God as well, I can
give you evidence, but that does not mean you will or even should
accept it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Fine with me, be irritated nothing wrong with that. You can give me
evidence for TOE, I may not accept the meaning you place on it, but
you can give it. The same thing can be true with God as well, I can
give you evidence, but that does not mean you will or even should
accept it.
Kelly

The evidence is stacked up in the geological record, the evidence abounds in the genetic structures of living things. Its all out there, it can be observed, you and I could look at the same phenoma and garner the same data, and the data points in one direction; that evolution is a reality. I'm not talking about belief but about things we could measure together in a non controversial evidence gathering kind of way.

Originally posted by Coletti
Where are there literal fire breathing dragons in the Bible? I found references to "dragons." I found a "fiery red dragon" in Rev 12:3 but this "dragon" spit out a river, not fire. I could not find a "literal" dragon in scripture.

Do Kent Hovind a favor then and tell him he can drop that ruse.

Originally posted by aardvarkhome
The evidence is stacked up in the geological record, the evidence abounds in the genetic structures of living things. Its all out there, it can be observed, you and I could look at the same phenoma and garner the same data, and the data points in one direction; that evolution is a reality. I'm not talking about belief but about things we could measure together in a non controversial evidence gathering kind of way.

Our starting assumptions cause us to think the evidence points one
way or another. It isn't as clear cut as you seem to say it is, the only
thing we can agree on is that there is evidence, where we will disagree
is what we say that evidence means.
Kelly