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Originally posted by twhiteheadSorry for some reason my post appeared 3X.
Faith / religion is not a reason why it may be wrong and he did not say that either. He said the only reason why some people disagree with it was assumptions in a Holy book, he did not say that it was a valid reason.
You are implying that it is a valid reason and that his understanding of the accuracy of carbon dating is based on his faith/religion. Yet ...[text shortened]... on you could have for believing it would be faith/religion and something written in a holy book.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhiteheadIt is all the same evidence, there isn't a 'scientific' pile of evidence and
Faith / religion is not a reason why it may be wrong and he did not say that either. He said the only reason why some people disagree with it was assumptions in a Holy book, he did not say that it was a valid reason.
You are implying that it is a valid reason and that his understanding of the accuracy of carbon dating is based on his faith/religion. Yet ...[text shortened]... on you could have for believing it would be faith/religion and something written in a holy book.
and a 'faith base' pile of evidence. I do try to look at it with an open
mind, it does not matter to me according to my religion how old the
universe is, my religion does not come into play, my complaint is the
unknown. I can stress devices and cause them to appear to age and
measure the results, I can also just grab devices that just aged and
set them side by side, they will behave the same way! I cannot look
at a the results of a test and know the difference, I have to know the
history of the device! My point has always been we do not know, you
want to assume that because of tests all done in the here and now
that gives us clear understanding of the past, it does not necessarily
mean that, to assume it does is pure faith, to reject all complaints
about it as religious base is prejudiced and unwise to say the least.
Kelly
Originally posted by serigadoI gave one, knock yourself out.
twhitehead got a good answer, I couldn't post it better.
Please, give me the reasons you think why carbon dating is wrong. Until now I couldn't see any argument except because it goes against your belief. Is that all? If it is, I can't argue anymore.
Kelly
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Ok. You all got great points, But heres another. The moon it moves I dunno off the bat right now I thing 6 inches away from earth each year. Millions of years ago not only would it blow up the planet, but it would scatter earth across the galaxy. Hmm Who found bits of earth. No gravity means it would be like a meteor. They also claim that we can act like monkeys cause we were once related. Does anybody find somthing wrong with that? I went to a semitar on this and the guy had an evolution book. It had a thing on things change. Thats called adaptaion and variation. Not evolution. If we evolved from apes, why are there apes and no cave men? Other Than Osama bin Laden.
Originally posted by Sargent CarpfaceWhat??? Moon is moving away because of conservation of angular momentum. Since earth moon system is not purely conservative (there's friction of the tides, for example), to conserve angular momentum the mean radius must depart a little to compensate. It hasn't been like this since ever!! This is not constant.
Ok. You all got great points, But heres another. The moon it moves I dunno off the bat right now I thing 6 inches away from earth each year. Millions of years ago not only would it blow up the planet, but it would scatter earth across the galaxy. Hmm Who found bits of earth. No gravity means it would be like a meteor. They also claim that we can act ...[text shortened]... this and the guy had an evolution book. It had a thing on things change. Thats called adaptaion
Originally posted by KellyJayYou obviously do not know how carbon dating works. It is not a matter of faith!!
I gave one, knock yourself out.
Kelly
Scientist experimented carbon dating on a LOT of stuff, including on many things that corrobarate sayings in the bible. Others in history books. Others in controlled experiences. It works. It is consistent. Strangely it stops being consistent ONLY to religious persons, when it somehow goes against a BELIEF...
Please, who's far more likely to be wrong?
Please elaborate on arguments against carbon dating.
Originally posted by serigadoyou done?
What??? Moon is moving away because of conservation of angular momentum. Since earth moon system is not purely conservative (there's friction of the tides, for example), to conserve angular momentum the mean radius must depart a little to compensate. It hasn't been like this since ever!! This is not constant.
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Originally posted by serigadoYou Are Wrong. They are wrong. Carbon Dating is wrong. it Doesnt work they only ASSume it works. Got proof? I do They found blood vessels in a dinosaur bone. How do they last millions of years. A theory is an educated guess. Evolution is so bad I wouldn't call it a theory.
You obviously do not know how carbon dating works. It is not a matter of faith!!
Scientist experimented carbon dating on a LOT of stuff, including on many things that corrobarate sayings in the bible. Others in history books. Others in controlled experiences. It works. It is consistent. Strangely it stops being consistent ONLY to religious persons, when it ...[text shortened]... lease, who's far more likely to be wrong?
Please elaborate on arguments against carbon dating.
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Originally posted by Sargent CarpfaceRepeating a lot that things are wrong doesn't make it a truth... but I may be wrong on this one too.
You Are Wrong. They are wrong. Carbon Dating is wrong. it Doesnt work they only ASSume it works. By the way my grandfather always said only a**holes ASSume, and he wasn't christian, he just found plenty of problems with evolution.
What is really wrong with CD? The only think I got from that post is that you think it is wrong, not any arguments against it. Where does CD fail? tell me.
Let me give you an example.
You know when trees get older, they start to get more and more rings. People can see how old a tree is by counting the number of rings. Well.. some tried the carbon dating stuff on those old trees and guess what... It gave the same age. Was it a coincidence or ring counting is wrong too?
PS: I'm a physicist so I can answer any doubts you can have about this one.
Originally posted by Sargent CarpfaceI suggest you first understand how science works before coming with all of those bombastic sayings of yours.
You Are Wrong. They are wrong. Carbon Dating is wrong. it Doesnt work they only ASSume it works. By the way my grandfather always said only a**holes ASSume, and he wasn't christian, he just found plenty of problems with evolution.
I belive that one could start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
Originally posted by jaywillHa, nice try!
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Yet if you drop a rock, it falls down. What's the analogous observation about God?
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The analogous situation is with some people who can say "Well, I'm not a religious person. So I don't have any concerns about God."
As if not being "religious" makes it go away that you have a Divine Creator. Or that only a religious person would think that the world was created by God.[/b]
Let's have a closer look...
[A=God exists ; B=a non believer needs to be concerned]
If god exists (A), indeed it may concern a non-believer(B).
[ (A -->B) ]
We have yet to agree that he exists.
That is, I agree that (A--->B) may be correct. It does not proves, in any way, A is correct - that god exists.
Sorry.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
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That may be true. There is a problem with the obscuring of the history of a first man and a first woman. If this obscuring of the stated flow of history from an original human couple does not completely invalidate the basis of Christ's redemption it does weaken it I think.Sorry for asking, but how does it weaken it?
Something to do with original sin?
(Please excuse my lack of knowledge in Christian theology. I'm Jewish)
Originally posted by serigadoYou think that because someone does not agree with you they do not
You obviously do not know how carbon dating works. It is not a matter of faith!!
Scientist experimented carbon dating on a LOT of stuff, including on many things that corrobarate sayings in the bible. Others in history books. Others in controlled experiences. It works. It is consistent. Strangely it stops being consistent ONLY to religious persons, when it ...[text shortened]... lease, who's far more likely to be wrong?
Please elaborate on arguments against carbon dating.
understand the points of the discussion?
Kelly