11 Mar 08
Originally posted by stokerPlease explain what you mean when you say 'we'. And what you mean by 'death'.
what is your belief, mine is after we die we are judged, marked in some way then await the day of attonement to enter one gate or the other. tho i think this is how it will be i woundered if any other views
When I say 'I' then I am referring to the physical entity that is typing this post, and when I say 'death' I am referring to the biological process by which the aforementioned physical entity essentially becomes non-existent.
To believe as you do implies that you must mean something else by the words than I do.
11 Mar 08
My belief is that if all goes well, I will be buried and my body eaten my worms. The nutrients will do very good to the cemetery trees, I guess.
There's one big question in all this soul stuff.. What is your soul, and in what aspects does it manifest in your life? Because all things we are can be explained by the physical brain...
11 Mar 08
Originally posted by stokerHow long after we die? I tend toward the soulsleep thing where we just kinda lie there in suspended animation, and our next conscious thought is being judged. But basically, I was taught same as you. 2 gates---1 good one---0 do-overs.
what is your belief, mine is after we die we are judged, marked in some way then await the day of attonement to enter one gate or the other. tho i think this is how it will be i woundered if any other views
11 Mar 08
By "I" and "me", do we mean my flesh and body, or do we mean my soul? Or do we simply mean my personality, my psycological sense of myself?
It's an important question, because if "I" and my "soul" are different phenomena, then the interpretation of "death" is different. And in that case, what about my personality, my psycological sense of myself?
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by stokerThere's no difference between the "I/me" and "body/flesh".
to clear a point the body/flesh returns to the earth. as earlier stated to be worm food. but the i and we is my soul by which god given and returns to god for judgement. tho i think it is done in the hour of our death, its more to do with what ive been given than learnt.
Our mind is physical, there's no external soul attached to our bodies: that's a myth. It comes from the fear of men being mortal and ending its existence when they die. The sooner people accept this, the happier they will be.
13 Mar 08
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Originally posted by serigadoDo you have proof or is this something you prefer to believe in order for you to be "happier"? I don't think you're on firmer footing than those who believe that there is a "soul".
There's no difference between the "I/me" and "body/flesh".
Our mind is physical, there's no external soul attached to our bodies: that's a myth. It comes from the fear of men being mortal and ending its existence when they die. The sooner people accept this, the happier they will be.
13 Mar 08
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneHe is on much firmer footing because he can explain what he is talking about. Those who believe there is a 'soul' cannot.
Do you have proof or is this something you prefer to believe in order for you to be "happier"? I don't think you're on firmer footing than those who believe that there is a "soul".
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by stokerUnconciousness. Freedom from pain, never again to feel pleasure...ceasing to exist.
what is your belief, mine is after we die we are judged, marked in some way then await the day of attonement to enter one gate or the other. tho i think this is how it will be i woundered if any other views
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadOh c'mon. There's no "proof" either way. In my mind it's foolish to make either assertion as definite.
He is on much firmer footing because he can explain what he is talking about. Those who believe there is a 'soul' cannot.
Realistically, the "explanation" is based on ignorance. "This is outside the current understanding of the mind, so it must not be true". The understand of the mind is in its infancy.
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungPretty much just ceasing to exist. It's almost impossible for alive people to imagine that, but that's what I believe too.
Unconciousness. Freedom from pain, never again to feel pleasure...ceasing to exist.
No pain, no thoughts, no nothing... a complete absence of life and conciousness.
13 Mar 08
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThe default is to not believe something exists unless there is at least significant evidence that it does exist - such as the tooth fairy.
Oh c'mon. There's no "proof" either way. In my mind it's foolish to make either assertion as definite.
Realistically, the "explanation" is based on ignorance. "This is outside the current understanding of the mind, so it must not be true". The understand of the mind is in its infancy.
We don't have any real evidence that a soul exists. Those who believe that we have a soul do so on faith, not evidence or any real determination based on facts.
Our understanding of the mind is very incomplete, but that isn't evidence that a soul exists. Our understanding, although incomplete, does not show any significant possibility of a soul that is somehow seperate from the physical body.