1. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    17 Oct '11 04:171 edit
    A few, (christian ), posters have, (sometimes directly), said that the world/society (?) is in decline?

    Anyone think that this is true and if so what are the signs of this ? (I dont see any definite signs that society is in decline - except for the same ones that have existed for years.)
  2. Standard memberChessPraxis
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    17 Oct '11 04:511 edit
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    A few, (christian ), posters have, (sometimes directly), said that the world/society (?) is in decline?

    Anyone think that this is true and if so what are the signs of this ? (I dont see any definite signs that society is in decline - except for the same ones that have existed for years.)
    In Biblical history, God has "turned His back' on societies where sexual deviations are accepted as the norm, and societies that worship false gods.
    We are in times where this is going on.
  3. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    17 Oct '11 05:122 edits
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    In Biblical history, God has "turned His back' on societies where sexual deviations are accepted as the norm, and societies that worship false gods.
    We are in times where this is going on.
    How do you equate "sexual deviations" ,(and other such "transgressions" ), with something much more harmful like WAR?
    It is only in recent times that nations have resorted to diplomacy and started to accept others rights to freedom,etc. It has been war,war and more war in history.

    These days there are few christians out there that would try to forcibly convert anyone to their faith like they did a few hundred years ago.

    Perhaps there were better times in (Bilical?)history but whatever golden ages civilizations have had have always come to an end through the agression of conquering hordes.

    Only in recent times have we had children growing up their whole lives with an understanding of the whole world ,via modern technologies such as the net.
    This global understanding is the backbone of moving forward into a better, peaceful world where to "not to crap in's one backyard", the backyard is extended to mean the whole world.


    edit: Also do you really think that their is more worship of false gods than in the past? how would you measure such a thing?(considering the population growth graph in the last 100 years)
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    17 Oct '11 06:12
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    In Biblical history, God has "turned His back' on societies where sexual deviations are accepted as the norm, and societies that worship false gods.
    We are in times where this is going on.
    But surely this has gone on throughout recorded history?

    And what 'sexual deviations' are you talking about? Surely if something is accepted as the norm then it is not a deviation by definition?
  5. Standard memberDasa
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    17 Oct '11 07:091 edit
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    A few, (christian ), posters have, (sometimes directly), said that the world/society (?) is in decline?

    Anyone think that this is true and if so what are the signs of this ? (I dont see any definite signs that society is in decline - except for the same ones that have existed for years.)
    Hotel used to close at 6pm and now they stay open 24 hrs..

    Gambling was only very small - and now there a huge facilities staying open 24 hrs..

    Once you could go to the beach and there were no naked bodies and now there are.

    Animal killing has increased.

    Churches are closing.

    DVD games are a lot more about violence.

    TV is a lot more about violence.

    Pornography is everywhere and has increased.

    Violent crime has increased.

    Robbery has increased.

    Drug taking has increased 10 fold.

    Drug trafficking has increased.

    People smuggling has increased.

    Rape has increased.

    Domestic violence has increased.

    Divorce has increased.

    Suicide has increased.

    Fraud has increased.

    Corruption in the finance industry has increased.

    Corruption in the legal system has increased.

    Corruption in the heath system has increased.

    Corruption in the building industry has increased.

    Corruption in politics has increased.

    Animal cruelty has increased.

    Atheism has increased.

    False religion has increased.

    Thats a start and there's more.

    This is the temporary Godless material world of suffering we are in.
  6. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    17 Oct '11 07:33
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Hotel used to close at 6pm and now they stay open 24 hrs..

    Gambling was only very small - and now there a huge facilities staying open 24 hrs..

    Once you could go to the beach and there were no naked bodies and now there are.

    Animal killing has increased.

    Churches are closing.

    DVD games are a lot more about violence.

    TV is a lot more about viol ...[text shortened]... start and there's more.

    This is the temporary Godless material world of suffering we are in.
    I refute nearly every point here.

    A lot of things have increased because there are way more people in the world. But I bet if you took it as a percentile then you would find that your claims are outright wrong.
  7. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    17 Oct '11 07:34
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Hotel used to close at 6pm and now they stay open 24 hrs..

    Gambling was only very small - and now there a huge facilities staying open 24 hrs..

    Once you could go to the beach and there were no naked bodies and now there are.

    Animal killing has increased.

    Churches are closing.

    DVD games are a lot more about violence.

    TV is a lot more about viol ...[text shortened]... start and there's more.

    This is the temporary Godless material world of suffering we are in.
    Are you talking about a decline in the last 100 years or the last 5000years?
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    17 Oct '11 07:50
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Hotel used to close at 6pm and now they stay open 24 hrs..

    Gambling was only very small - and now there a huge facilities staying open 24 hrs..

    Once you could go to the beach and there were no naked bodies and now there are.

    Animal killing has increased.

    Churches are closing.

    DVD games are a lot more about violence.

    TV is a lot more about viol ...[text shortened]... start and there's more.

    This is the temporary Godless material world of suffering we are in.
    Hotel used to close at 6pm and now they stay open 24 hrs..

    How exactly is that evidence of the worlds decline?
  9. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    17 Oct '11 07:58
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Hotel used to close at 6pm and now they stay open 24 hrs..

    Gambling was only very small - and now there a huge facilities staying open 24 hrs..

    Once you could go to the beach and there were no naked bodies and now there are.

    Animal killing has increased.

    Churches are closing.

    DVD games are a lot more about violence.

    TV is a lot more about viol ...[text shortened]... start and there's more.

    This is the temporary Godless material world of suffering we are in.
    Or this

    "Churches are closing. "
  10. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    17 Oct '11 08:00
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Hotel used to close at 6pm and now they stay open 24 hrs..

    Gambling was only very small - and now there a huge facilities staying open 24 hrs..

    Once you could go to the beach and there were no naked bodies and now there are.

    Animal killing has increased.

    Churches are closing.

    DVD games are a lot more about violence.

    TV is a lot more about viol ...[text shortened]... start and there's more.

    This is the temporary Godless material world of suffering we are in.
    and proof for any 50% of your claims ....
  11. Standard memberRJHinds
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    17 Oct '11 08:20
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Hotel used to close at 6pm and now they stay open 24 hrs..

    Gambling was only very small - and now there a huge facilities staying open 24 hrs..

    Once you could go to the beach and there were no naked bodies and now there are.

    Animal killing has increased.

    Churches are closing.

    DVD games are a lot more about violence.

    TV is a lot more about viol ...[text shortened]... start and there's more.

    This is the temporary Godless material world of suffering we are in.
    You tell 'em Dasa. Hallelu YAH.
  12. Standard memberDasa
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    17 Oct '11 08:43
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    [b]Hotel used to close at 6pm and now they stay open 24 hrs..

    How exactly is that evidence of the worlds decline?[/b]
    Alcohol abuse is the cause of most road accidents and domestic violence and street crime.

    Increasing the hours for alcohol consumption is putting fuel on the fire.
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    17 Oct '11 08:481 edit
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Alcohol abuse is the cause of most road accidents and domestic violence and street crime.

    Increasing the hours for alcohol consumption is putting fuel on the fire.
    What do hotels have to do with that? And show me some evidence that alcohol is the cause of most road accidents.
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    17 Oct '11 09:01
    Originally posted by Dasa
    DVD games are a lot more about violence.
    I used to play violent video games eg "Doom" before DVDs were invented.
  15. Standard memberRJHinds
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    17 Oct '11 09:04
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    What do hotels have to do with that? And show me some evidence that alcohol is the cause of most road accidents.
    Do you mean that in England you would not have to go to alcohol abuse
    classes and have your driving priviledges revolked for a period of time if
    caught driving under the influence of alcohol. Here, this is a result of
    many drunk drivers killing other drivers in head-on collisions.
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