Originally posted by howardgeeLightning is an electrical discharge from the atmosphere to the ground.
Is it really?
What do you think Lightning is?
Do you think God controls it?
I think God is perfectly capable of arranging water molecules, electrons et al to turn lightning either on or off if he is so minded. That doesn't mean I think every single bolt of lightning in the history of mankind held some kind of spiritual significance.
Originally posted by orfeoDo you believe it is always from the atmosphere to the ground?
Lightning is an electrical discharge from the atmosphere to the ground.
I think God is perfectly capable of arranging water molecules, electrons et al to turn lightning either on or off if he is so minded. That doesn't mean I think every single bolt of lightning in the history of mankind held some kind of spiritual significance.
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Originally posted by orfeoSo do you think that God CAN control lightning if he so chooses, but it will happen anyway even if he hasn't arranged the water molecules, etc.
Lightning is an electrical discharge from the atmosphere to the ground.
I think God is perfectly capable of arranging water molecules, electrons et al to turn lightning either on or off if he is so minded. That doesn't mean I think every single bolt of lightning in the history of mankind held some kind of spiritual significance.
Surely either God always controls lightning, i.e. causes it to happen, or he never controls it, i.e it is a natural phenomenon.
Which is it?
Originally posted by howardgeeGod is http://picard.ytmnd.com/
That's all I ask.
If I believed in the Flying Spaghetti monster, then in order for you to dispute my claim, I would have to define what I thought it was.
Please be as specific as you can; try and avoid vagueness.
So come on all ye faithful - describe for me what it is you worship.
I look forward to your attempt to dispute this claim.
Originally posted by howardgeeWHY? There's nothing sure about it!
Surely either God always controls lightning, i.e. causes it to happen, or he never controls it, i.e it is a natural phenomenon.
God is personal, not an impersonal force. People make choices to act or not act in a myriad situations every day. The world doesn't stop just because you choose to sit back and watch it some of the time, but it's affected if you intervene in some way. If that's true of you, why can't it be true of God as well?
I completely fail to see where your 'surely' comes from, and I don't think you've thought it through at all - you're simply trying to come up with some sort of paradox to trap people with. Well, it's certainly not going to work if this is the best you can come up with.
This epitomises my problem with you. There are plenty of atheists and agnostics in this forum who are willing to have a debate and exchange ideas, but you're not one of them. Everything you say comes across to me as manipulative and disingenuous. You don't ask questions because you want answers, you ask them because you're trying to embarrass other people.
Originally posted by orfeoAtheism's response to RBHill?
This epitomises my problem with you. There are plenty of atheists and agnostics in this forum who are willing to have a debate and exchange ideas, but you're not one of them. Everything you say comes across to me as manipulative and disingenuous. You don't ask questions because you want answers, you ask them because you're trying to embarrass other people.
Originally posted by orfeoI am just trying to comprehend your position.
WHY? There's nothing sure about it!
God is personal, not an impersonal force. People make choices to act or not act in a myriad situations every day. The world doesn't stop just because you choose to sit back and watch it some of the time, but it's affected if you intervene in some way. If that's true of you, why can't it be true of God as well?
I co ...[text shortened]... se you want answers, you ask them because you're trying to embarrass other people.
Sometimes lightning is caused by God (When he can be bothered to "..make choices to act ..."😉.
Other times lightning happens without God causing it.
Is this what you believe?
Originally posted by howardgeeIf we're talking about individual lightning bolts, yes.
I am just trying to comprehend your position.
Sometimes lightning is caused by God (When he can be bothered to "..make choices to act ..."😉.
Other times lightning happens without God causing it.
Is this what you believe?
Originally posted by orfeoYou have outlined a very peculiar belief system indeed.
If we're talking about individual lightning bolts, yes.
Some Lightning bolts are created by God, and other lightning bolts are naturally occurring without God's input, because he cannot be bothered all of the time.
Not only have you failed to outline a single property of God, but also you have come up with a unique theory, held only by yourself.
You have done a very good job of embarrassing yourself without my help.