@sonship
Is your intent just to spam the thread and pretend Lee wasn't calling for man's deification?
@sonship saidThat is called a prayer of arrogance, which God will not hear. First keep the commandments, THEN God will hear your prayer. You want the reference?
"Lord Jesus, I turn my heart over to You for the sake of Your kingdom. I am not my own. I have been purchased by the blood of Jesus. I belong to You Lord Jesus. I belong to You that you may gain the earth for Your kingdom."
Or ask God to help you believe this passage:
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (1 John 2:3-5 KJV)
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (1 John 2:3-5 KJV)
This is a good passage.
You are welcomed to place others like it in the discussion.
Perhaps those who have their interest stimulated will go to read the entire epistle of First John.
I don't think this could hurt at all. I recommend it in fact very heartedly.
FOLKS, go read the entire epistle of First John. It is only five chapters. And our spirit will be nourished and refreshed.
"As newborn babes, long for the guileless milk of the word in order that by it you may grow unto salvation, if you have tasted that the Lord is good." (1 Pet. 2:2,3)
By all means, read the word of God. Reading aloud or softly with a prayerful spirit is good.
Or ask God to help you believe this passage:
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (1 John 2:3-5 KJV)
I will ask for help. I could always see more in His unsearchably rich word.
Checking with the Search Engine for books by Nee and Lee,
I found the following publications by Witness Lee include occurences of the world "deification". I encourage anyone interested to see how this word was ever used in these messages by Witness Lee to go study for themselves.
https://www.ministrybooks.org/SearchMinBooks.cfm
24 Truth Concerning the Ultimate Goal of God's Economy, The
6Life-Study of 1 & 2 Samuel
6Life-Study of 1 & 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther
4Life-Study of 2 Peter
3Conclusion of the New Testament, The (Msgs. 001-020)
3Life-Study of Galatians
2Move of God in Man, The
1Life-Study of Job
1Christian Life, The
1Life-Study of Colossians
1Crystallization-Study Outlines—Colossians
1God's New Testament Economy
1Life-Study of Exodus
1 Life-Study of Philippians
1 Conclusion of the New Testament, The (Msgs. 415-436)
1 Deeper Study of the Divine Dispensing, A
@sonship saidEncouraging people to read up on your particular brand of Christianity is one of the characteristics of a cult. A true believer in Christ will encourage people to read and believe and obey the teachings of Christ, nobody else.
Checking with the Search Engine for books by Nee and Lee,
I found the following publications by Witness Lee include occurences of the world "deification". I encourage anyone interested to see how this word was ever used in these messages by Witness Lee to go study for themselves.
https://www.ministrybooks.org/SearchMinBooks.cfm
24 Truth Concerning th ...[text shortened]... the New Testament, The (Msgs. 415-436)
1 Deeper Study of the Divine Dispensing, A
This is what John is saying. Believers do not just profess belief with their mouth but believe in their heart that Jesus's teachings are true and are to be obeyed. This is the way to the Kingdom of God. Reading up on the nonsense written by Lee and Nee is the way to damnation.
@sonship saidI would guess that if you have been asking for Gods help for all these decades and you are still not preaching the teachings of Christ, I can only conclude that God is ignoring you and leaving you up to your own devices, much like He did to the Pharisees.
@Rajk999Or ask God to help you believe this passage:
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (1 John 2:3-5 KJV)
I will ask for help. I could always see more in His unsearchably rich word.
Please write some more verses with commandments in them.
Here is a good one also.
"And whatever we ask we receive from Him because we keep His commandments and do the things which are pleasing in His sight.
And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, even as He gave a commandent to us.
And he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And in this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He gave to us." (1 John 3:22-24)
Now if a man refuses to believe that Jesus is His Son is He keeping the commandment of God?
@sonship saidThese kinds of statements make me wonder if you are right in your head. What is worse almost the entire Christian community believe as you do.
Now if a man refuses to believe that Jesus is His Son is He keeping the commandment of God?
The Jews, referred to as Gods chosen people, do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. According to you, they cannot keep the commandments of God. All the people for the thousands of years before Christ, do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. They likewise cannot keep the commandments.
It should be clear to you that there is something wrong with your interpretation of that passage.
@Rajk999
And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, even as He gave a commandment to us.
And he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And in this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He gave to us." (1 John 3:22-24)
What was the specific commandment John says God gave to his audience?
Answer: " . . . that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, "
Those who had Jesus executed may have tried keep some of the commandments according to the ten commandments. But they could not justify themselves before God for eternal life because of that. And they disobeyed the command to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. But God had given them commandment in Christ to do so.
And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, even as He gave a commandment to us.
The command to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ was not until Jesus Christ came.
When He did come Jesus told the unbelieving law doers who thought they were following Moses that they would die in their sins. They would die in their sins because they did not believe in Him.
"And He said to them, You are form below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world.
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins." (John 8:23,24)
The ashiest will die in his sins unless he believes that Jesus is the Son of God even as we have been given commandment to believe.
@sonship saidI dislike ashiests...
The ashiest will die in his sins unless he believes that Jesus is the Son of God even as we have been given commandment to believe.
@sonship saidThe Devil also believes and knows that Jesus is the Son of God. So where does that leave you and your doctrine? Your doctrine continues to be poorly thought out. Clearly there is something missing. What is missing is the rest of what John said ie it is the keeping of the commandments that separates the Devil from TRUE Christians
@Rajk999
And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, even as He gave a commandment to us.
And he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And in this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He gave to us." (1 John 3:22-24)
What was the specific commandment John says God ...[text shortened]... nd to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. But God had given them commandment in Christ to do so.
.. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. (1 John 3:24 KJV)
Both the Devil and Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God. The true believer in Christ, keeps the commandments. The Devil also believes but does not keep the commandments. Which are you ? You are just like the Devil.
@Rajk999
I am a Christian.
I have been redeemed for eternity and have the assurance of eternal life.
And I am learning to walk by the Spirit and abide in the teaching of the anointing.
We will see at the judgment seat of Christ if I will receive reward or discipline.
I am not assured of reward. But I am assured of justification by faith and that
Christ lives in me.
If you are not assured of justification and are enraged because of that you have a problem. It doesn't matter how much you talk about commandments.