@suzianne saidYour church teaching is flawed because it excludes the following -
Except that both are required.
Not one, or the other. Both.
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." - Romans 10:9-10 KJV
For what it's worth, I agree with your third paragraph.
- all the Jews,
- all people before the time of Paul
- all people who never heard of Christ.
- all people who Jesus HIMSELF preached to.
Remove your church doctrine from your head, and read the teachings of Christ.
As for agreeing with me about gays, tell that to your church buddies because they are among the most crooked and evil and yet they cast stones and condemn others for their sins. All have sinned and all with be judged according to their works. Your doctrine once saved always saved is pure nonsense.
-Removed-You have ((((( 0 )))))) concept of what anyone here says. If you could only grasp a small portion of what is said to you, you might accidentally learn something.
JW's hate no one. Let me say that again, we hate no one. What we do hate is what they do. Just as Jehovah hates what they do. Again the Bible says it is disgusting. I've posted that scripture so I'm not going to again.
I've also explained that just as the good Samaritan helped another human being, one that was usually an enemy, with care and love for another human being is exactly the way a Christian should be to all humans in need. THAT IS ALSO OUR BELIEF.
Get this if you can. If a new person walked into our Kingdom Hall that was clearly by actions or dress gay we would great them in the same manor we would treat any other human and that would be with respect. We would answer any questions gladly and ask if they were there because of interest in the Bible which is probably the reason they were there. We would offer them a bible study and if they were interested a study would be arranged. Absolutely no different then any other human. Hopefully they would eventually see God's view in the bible on their lifestyle and if this is what they wanted to pursue, anyone in the Hall would be glad to have that study with them.
I completely expect you will not grasp this but will continue on with your ignorant rants. Right?????
@galveston75 saidTherefore someone must stop sinning in order to be a JW.
You have ((((( 0 )))))) concept of what anyone here says. If you could only grasp a small portion of what is said to you, you might accidentally learn something.
JW's hate no one. Let me say that again, we hate no one. What we do hate is what they do. Just as Jehovah hates what they do. Again the Bible says it is disgusting. I've posted that scripture so I'm not going t ...[text shortened]... completely expect you will not grasp this but will continue on with your ignorant rants. Right?????
@rajk999 saidGo ahead. Tell me again what "my doctrine" is.
Your church teaching is flawed because it excludes the following -
- all the Jews,
- all people before the time of Paul
- all people who never heard of Christ.
- all people who Jesus HIMSELF preached to.
Remove your church doctrine from your head, and read the teachings of Christ.
As for agreeing with me about gays, tell that to your church buddies because they ar ...[text shortened]... all with be judged according to their works. Your doctrine once saved always saved is pure nonsense.
I mean you seem to know so much more about it.
@eladar saidYou too. Go ahead and tell me what I believe again. Since you're the expert and all.
@Suzianne
Believes unto righteousness. Somehow righteousness means nothing to you. There were those who believed as you that sin is ok because forgiveness would simply cover all sin, paul corrected that thinking and corrected them. You on the other hand will not hear of it.
@galveston75 saidSo an actively and outwardly gay couple can be converted to the JW faith. Correct?
Lol. Right!!!!
@rajk999 saidWe don't convert anyone. If one is interested in what we believe it is their decision to pursue more study to see if this is for them. If it is in their heart, Jehovah will help them along in their studies and he will help them to see and learn many things. Of course the first thing they will have to see is with homosexuality and God's view on that. There is also much study on that and there will need to be much prayer from themselves to change this lifestyle. If they can't or refuse to stop that life style then the bible studies with them would end.
So an actively and outwardly gay couple can be converted to the JW faith. Correct?
@galveston75 saidSo like I said. Sinners cannot become a JW.
We don't convert anyone. If one is interested in what we believe it is their decision to pursue more study to see if this is for them. If it is in their heart, Jehovah will help them along in their studies and he will help them to see and learn many things. Of course the first thing they will have to see is with homosexuality and God's view on that. There is also much stu ...[text shortened]... festyle. If they can't or refuse to stop that life style then the bible studies with them would end.
@rajk999 saidYour arrogance has led you astray. You've stopped listening long ago, once you made your mind up.
I do. You have been posting here a very long time and you have been supporting the OSAS doctrine a very long time.
You are clearly into a "only hear what I wanna hear because I already know everything" mode.
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@eladar saidToo many times, because it is simply not true.
@Rajk999
So how many times do you think you have written that message to her?
You supposedly-Christian hypocrites were specifically called out by Jesus in the Gospels, but you are both too arrogant to believe that he was talking to you, specifically.
@suzianne saidHypocrites promote mouthworship.
Too many times, because it is simply not true.
You supposedly-Christian hypocrites were specifically called out by Jesus in the Gospels, but you are both too arrogant to believe that he was talking to you, specifically.
Mouth worship - Example professions of faith is all that is required
Mouthworship is condemned by Christ.
You and your buddies are condemned.
Followers of Christ promote good works and righteousness.