@suzianne saidEngage you ? No thanks.
Oh, here we go, with the "you show your support through your silence" riff. Did you get that failed argument from those you support here? There's a reason why that riff doesn't work.
So you further align yourself with the likes of FMF and divegeester, who always claim that when people don't jump on their little bandwagon, then that means they deserve to be attacked as w ...[text shortened]... ngaging me on the topic I tried to engage you on? Deflection is for those without a valid argument.
@rajk999 saidI don't see where Matthew speaks about gross sinners here at all. Does he? Of course not. When the bible says to remove those who practice sin from among yourselves, that is exactly what it means.
I belong to no religion. If I did then all people would be welcome. The guidelines would be just as Jesus commanded in Matt 5, 6 and 7. Condemning and persecuting sinners is not within the authority of man. That is Gods job and He has authorised Jesus Christ to do that at the appropriate time.
The statement of faith would start off as follows :
[i]Blessed are the poor i ...[text shortened]... tions for personal improvement but since no one is without sin then no one is authorized to condemn.
But it is very obvious that many churches allow ones who blatantly practice gross sins to be welcomed members of their churches now because of pressures from society, more members to add money to their collection plates and because Satan is the "ruler of this world" at this time. So it is not surprising at all that ones like you accept this life style too.
@ghost-of-a-duke said"The 'truth' you tender here is no more or less compelling than the truth tendered by the Hindu or atheist. Yes, truth is unaffected by opinions, but you have offered nothing to suggest truth lies at the heart of your opinion/belief and not mine. (Or anyone else's). What if the 'truth' is that sexual orientation is a choice, and conversion therapy isn't nonsense? I know you don't believe that, but what if that 'is' the truth? Nothing you say here, as a consequence, would have any true meaning."
Sexual orientation isn't a choice. Conversion therapy is a nonsense.
Thought I would change some words about and see if your point is still valid in your own eyes.
@kellyjay saidOkay kelly, blunt question coming at you.
"The 'truth' you tender here is no more or less compelling than the truth tendered by the Hindu or atheist. Yes, truth is unaffected by opinions, but you have offered nothing to suggest truth lies at the heart of your opinion/belief and not mine. (Or anyone else's). What if the 'truth' is that sexual orientation is a choice, and conversion therapy isn't nonsense? I k ...[text shortened]... ."
Thought I would change some words about and see if your point is still valid in your own eyes.
If sexual orientation is indeed a choice, could 'you' choose to be gay? And if you are struggling to do this, would some conversion therapy help?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidI think every action we take is a choice. Staying faithful to my wife is a choice. Life is full of choices. You are suggesting there are no choices here as if it were a blunt fact of life, that your opinion, or a blunt fact of life, which you seem to have a hard time acknowledging on other topics.
Okay kelly, blunt question coming at you.
If sexual orientation is indeed a choice, could 'you' choose to be gay? And if you are struggling to do this, would some conversion therapy help?
@kellyjay saidThat wasn't really an answer.
I think every action we take is a choice. Staying faithful to my wife is a choice. Life is full of choices. You are suggesting there are no choices here as if it were a blunt fact of life, that your opinion, or a blunt fact of life, which you seem to have a hard time acknowledging on other topics.
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@kellyjay saidDodge much?
I think every action we take is a choice. Staying faithful to my wife is a choice. Life is full of choices. You are suggesting there are no choices here as if it were a blunt fact of life, that your opinion, or a blunt fact of life, which you seem to have a hard time acknowledging on other topics.
Could you choose to be gay?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidSexual attraction is hardwired in ones DNA.
If it helps kelly, I'm straight and 'could not' choose to be gay. Any therapeutic attempt to convert me to homosexuality would fail. My sexual orientation is not and has never been a choice.
Why wouldn't 't this also be the case the other way around?
KJ is a moron and argues like of fool.
End of story.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIf we are made that way then there are no choices, if there are choices can we say we were made that way? If we were made that way, and there really is a right way we were made, and even than we find we still have choices, can we choose to be something other than the way we were meant to be made?
It's me telling you that you failed to answer the question I put to you. Nothing more complicated than that. - If sexual orientation is indeed a choice, could 'you' choose to be gay?
The truth of all of this, is there a real proper answer for this? If there is not than no standard is wrong or right, so it doesn’t matter! If however we were made a way by design then breaking away from that will be wrong no matter what choices are made outside of the makers intent.