Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
I probably could have been more explicit. I thought that within the context, it would be be understood to be "spiritual" authority for lack of a better term. I don't know what would be the proper Catholic terminology, but hopefully you understand what I mean.
[b]I don't think that this ultimately is a gender issue. It is more particularly a clerical ...[text shortened]... erical" changes nothing. Women are not allow to be priests, so it is about gender.[/b]
I probably could have been more explicit. I thought that within the context, it would be be understood to be "spiritual" authority for lack of a better term. I don't know what would be the proper Catholic terminology, but hopefully you understand what I mean.
It is not exactly clear what you mean by 'spiritual authority'. This is not terminology seen in a Catholic context.
Maybe I don't understand you here, but not allowing women to have "spiritual" authority because of gender is very much a gender issue. If by "clerical" you are speaking of priests and the like, then recasting it as "clerical" changes nothing. Women are not allow to be priests, so it is about gender.
You may think so but I think that analysis is naive. Certainly, if the Church permitted women to be ordained, then there would certainly no longer be any perceivable gender inequality.
However, a great number of talented laypeople would still be marginalised and still disempowered. Permitting women to be ordained would not solve the underlying
structural problem of clericalism.
To illustrate: in a strict theological sense, ordination to the priesthood confers the power to celebrate Eucharist, absolve in confession and anoint the sick; it gives the authority to preach and to give public benediction.
And that's it. However,
juridically, ordination confers a lot of other powers. For example, only an ordained canon lawyer can be a judge -- which means only a priest can nullify a marriage or judge some other contentious dispute of ecclesiastical law. It also confers privileges. A suitably trained priest may have the opportunity to work in Rome, in the curia, deciding issues of liturgy, doctrine, administration and so on. None of these additional powers and privileges need be exclusively attached to the priesthood.
That is the whole problem of clericalism. Allowing women's ordination would not remedy this problem. A better solution would be to share these clerical responsibilities with laypeople -- let women, appropriately trained as canon lawyers, to sit as judges; let women, with the appropriate theological qualifications, to resolve theological disputes; let women be cardinals even and be able to elect the Pope. In the past, there have been many lay cardinals (the most recent was 150 years ago.) I think this equal distribution of power between clerics and laity alike better empowers women as well as all laypeople.