10 Mar '05 23:06>2 edits
Read an article in N. Scientist and in a flurry of social experiments, seems when confronted with the thought of mortality, on avergage, people's level of anxiety rose quite substantially. In one study, people tended to become more insular when reminded of their mortality. They tended to group together where they shared common bonds. In another study, a group of judges showed a substantial increase in duration of sentences passed down to convicted criminals just after being show images of death.
I guess that would explain the behaviour of so many athiests at RHP. Christians truely are a thorn in their sides. The concept of Hell only perpetuates the problem for athiests. Not only are they going to die, but a horrible future awaits them. In that respect I do feel empathy for a athiests at RHP. Unfortunitely they are constantly reminded of their mortality, the essential insignificance of their existance. For that reason I think creating a new forum specifically to discuss this topic is good, but still I try to understand why someone who has no interest or belief in God would need to post in this forum. I can only come to the conclusion that the "athiest" is not an athiest, but a person desperately trying to prove their view to themselves, so that atleast they can feel at ease. For it would be impossible to live a life believing eternal damnation awaits you in the afterlife and for that reason attacking views that paint you in this light is essential. Granted there are indeed those that truely do not believe in God, and they will indeed live a happier life, for they truely believe death will be the end for them. I guess these athiests would be the equivalent of a Christian not believing in Budha. They would truely not care about what another person sais primarily because they don't believe any of it holds any truth.
Another article I read a few months ago in N.Scientist regarding happyness was that the very religious and the very athiest were (when regarding theology) the happier, whist those in the middle (who were uncertain of their stance) the most unhappy. This I would guess also compliments my point above. Why is it that the same posters always need to attack Christians ? Is it the element of truth that scares them, are they truely concerned about Christians ruining the world, or do they simply despise someone reminding them of their lack of salvation. For them I suppose Christianity truely seems a curse.
I've little doubt this post will anger many. I've little doubt many will reply in anger, or sarcasm. Truthfully I have empathy for those of you that consider yourselves athiests. I can imagine it must feel very crap when someone tells you such news. It is like someone telling you the world will end in 5 years time and there is nothing that can be done to save you. You may ask "Why did you tell me in the first place!". Now if I tell you that you have a 30% chance of surviving, IF you dedicate the next 4 years and 11 months to building a spacecraft, would you ? Would you not think "What is the point, I'd rather live the next 5 years to its fullest capacity!". Well that is a fair point, for you are weighing the opportunity cost of dedicating your life to building this spaceship that you don't even know will save your life, afterall the next 5 years are extremely precious to you, they're all you have left !
This is the dilemma, for most athiest (heck for most Christians) you have family members, grandparents, parents, loved one's that were not Christians, so, when a Christian claims you need to know Jesus to be saved, what they are really saying is that your loved one's were not saved. And if that is the case then God must be bad, because your parents or loved ones were good people. The problem with this analogy is that every person needs to make a choice. The Christian God is not a God that wants vengeance, indeed He is a God that so much loved the world that He had His only son killed by the very thing that wants His salvation. It is similar to a type of cancer that kills your child and then begs for your mercy. How can this God then create a concept of Hell, but have enough love to offer mankind a chance at salvation and eternal paradise ?
An interesting dilema. I thus ask those that do not consider themselves saved, should there by any, to openly discuss their views regarding the concept of the Christian God (not the reality, the concept) and what problem they have with this concept. Should any of you wish to discuss this by PM, that would be fine with me, otherwise could be reserve this thread for only those that honestly care to debate the issue. Again, I ask only for the input of those that either reject the notion of a Christian God, or do not believe in God at all.
thanks
PC
I guess that would explain the behaviour of so many athiests at RHP. Christians truely are a thorn in their sides. The concept of Hell only perpetuates the problem for athiests. Not only are they going to die, but a horrible future awaits them. In that respect I do feel empathy for a athiests at RHP. Unfortunitely they are constantly reminded of their mortality, the essential insignificance of their existance. For that reason I think creating a new forum specifically to discuss this topic is good, but still I try to understand why someone who has no interest or belief in God would need to post in this forum. I can only come to the conclusion that the "athiest" is not an athiest, but a person desperately trying to prove their view to themselves, so that atleast they can feel at ease. For it would be impossible to live a life believing eternal damnation awaits you in the afterlife and for that reason attacking views that paint you in this light is essential. Granted there are indeed those that truely do not believe in God, and they will indeed live a happier life, for they truely believe death will be the end for them. I guess these athiests would be the equivalent of a Christian not believing in Budha. They would truely not care about what another person sais primarily because they don't believe any of it holds any truth.
Another article I read a few months ago in N.Scientist regarding happyness was that the very religious and the very athiest were (when regarding theology) the happier, whist those in the middle (who were uncertain of their stance) the most unhappy. This I would guess also compliments my point above. Why is it that the same posters always need to attack Christians ? Is it the element of truth that scares them, are they truely concerned about Christians ruining the world, or do they simply despise someone reminding them of their lack of salvation. For them I suppose Christianity truely seems a curse.
I've little doubt this post will anger many. I've little doubt many will reply in anger, or sarcasm. Truthfully I have empathy for those of you that consider yourselves athiests. I can imagine it must feel very crap when someone tells you such news. It is like someone telling you the world will end in 5 years time and there is nothing that can be done to save you. You may ask "Why did you tell me in the first place!". Now if I tell you that you have a 30% chance of surviving, IF you dedicate the next 4 years and 11 months to building a spacecraft, would you ? Would you not think "What is the point, I'd rather live the next 5 years to its fullest capacity!". Well that is a fair point, for you are weighing the opportunity cost of dedicating your life to building this spaceship that you don't even know will save your life, afterall the next 5 years are extremely precious to you, they're all you have left !
This is the dilemma, for most athiest (heck for most Christians) you have family members, grandparents, parents, loved one's that were not Christians, so, when a Christian claims you need to know Jesus to be saved, what they are really saying is that your loved one's were not saved. And if that is the case then God must be bad, because your parents or loved ones were good people. The problem with this analogy is that every person needs to make a choice. The Christian God is not a God that wants vengeance, indeed He is a God that so much loved the world that He had His only son killed by the very thing that wants His salvation. It is similar to a type of cancer that kills your child and then begs for your mercy. How can this God then create a concept of Hell, but have enough love to offer mankind a chance at salvation and eternal paradise ?
An interesting dilema. I thus ask those that do not consider themselves saved, should there by any, to openly discuss their views regarding the concept of the Christian God (not the reality, the concept) and what problem they have with this concept. Should any of you wish to discuss this by PM, that would be fine with me, otherwise could be reserve this thread for only those that honestly care to debate the issue. Again, I ask only for the input of those that either reject the notion of a Christian God, or do not believe in God at all.
thanks
PC