Do we have ontological priority?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
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Hmmmm......dont know about that one but anyway I hope everyone now understands what I mean by ontological priority and can now address the question stated in the first post 🙂

Originally posted by Vladamir no1
Do we have ontological priority or do we possess an intrisic morality....
personally I think ontology wins, all we have that's intrinsic is primal urges, the need to procreate etc. Other than that we're a tabla rasa...

Personally, I disagree with you.

Originally posted by Vladamir no1
Its not cut and pasted, well from my brain it is....You shouldn't judge others by your lack of knowledge....i think Wittgeinstein once said, 'If you dont know, be quiet'....Good advice

I would suggest virtually no one knows what you are talking about, since you have still not explained it in a way people here will understand.

Please don't ever quote Wittgenstein at me. Ever. Particularly not the Tractatus. I'm absolutely sure you haven't read it and don't understand it.

I'll ask you again, politely. Please explain what you meant by "ontological priority", in your own words, so we can discuss it meaningfully.

Originally posted by Vladamir no1
Then what was he speaking about???

It is bound up entirely with the view of language, meaning and the world you find in the Tractatus. You can't simply drop it into conversation like a brick.

Unless, of course, it's just another brick in the wall.

Originally posted by dottewell
I would suggest virtually no one knows what you are talking about, since you have still not explained it in a way people here will understand.

Even I don't understand it.

Originally posted by Vladamir no1
Hmmmm......dont know about that one but anyway I hope everyone now understands what I mean by ontological priority and can now address the question stated in the first post 🙂

Could you define what you mean by 'ontological' before expounding on 'ontological priorities'? Some poeple might disagree on what ontological means. Many might intepret it as a purely biological reductionism, some as existential, etc.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Could you define what you mean by 'ontological' before expounding on 'ontological priorities'? Some poeple might disagree on what ontological means. Many might intepret it as a purely biological reductionism, some as existential, etc.

Ontological as in 'Being', in every sense, existential and biological

Originally posted by Vladamir no1
Ontological as in 'Being', in every sense, existential and biological

I'm still waiting for you to repost your question in jargon-free English. Not, as I said, a cut-and-paste on existentialism.

[EDIT: Would you like me to have a go on your behalf? Do you really want to discuss this issue or did you just want use a few long words?]

Originally posted by dottewell
I'm still waiting for you to repost your question in jargon-free English. Not, as I said, a cut-and-paste on existentialism.

We're not talking about existentialism?????
Have you got the right thread??!!

Originally posted by Vladamir no1
Ontological as in 'Being', in every sense, existential and biological

Are you saying that "biological being" is not "existential being"?

Originally posted by Vladamir no1
We're not talking about existentialism?????
Have you got the right thread??!!

He's got the right thread. And, if you're saying what we all think you're saying (which, to be fair, is hard enough), you are indeed talking about existentialism.

Originally posted by Vladamir no1
We're not talking about existentialism?????
Have you got the right thread??!!

In my studies, I came across the term "ontological priority" in two areas. One was metaphysics and the question of identity. You're clearly not talking about that, because you contrast "ontological priority" with "intrinsic morality".

So I'm guessing it's a mangled reference to Heidegger.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Are you saying that "biological being" is not "existential being"?

No I'm not I'm just linguistically elaborating to exemplify an explaination that i'm slowly getting very tired of explaining...

Originally posted by Vladamir no1
No I'm not I'm just linguistically elaborating to exemplify an explaination that i'm slowly getting very tired of explaining...

Ah, got it now...













You're a moron.