Does one need to believe in Jesus for salvation.

@fmf said
My answer to this has not changed since 24 hours ago when you asked me the same question.

You never answered it that I saw,
So why?
If you did answer it, then it would not be hard to post your answer again. Just a copy and paste job. Go for it.

@kingdavid403 said
I leave to the religionists.
lol... please show us where?
You have many posts in this thread. So how can you say this?

Because I am not a religionist. I have been responding to the fact that you have been trying to project "belief in God" onto atheists. Notions of "salvation" and an "eternal life" are religious doctrines. They are the subject of claims by religionists and those doctrinal claims exist regardless of whether a creator being exists.

@kingdavid403 said
You never answered it that I saw,
So why?
If you did answer it, then it would not be hard to post your answer again. Just a copy and paste job. Go for it.

Just read the answer I gave. There have only been two threads on which we have conversed in the last 24 hours.

@fmf said
Because I am not a religionist. I have responding to the fact that you have been trying to project "belief in God" onto atheists. Notions of "salvation" and an "eternal life" are religious doctrines. They are the subject of claims by religionists and those doctrinal claims exist regardless of whether a creator being exists.

You respond to religonist doctrines in this thread and many others all the time.
Nice attempt at the dodge tho...
I'm finding our current conversations pointless as you keep jumping down your rabbit hole in an attempt to dodge.
Maybe I'll see ya next time. 🙂

@kingdavid403 said
You respond to religonist doctrines in this thread and many others all the time.

Only where there is a moral dimension or when - as in the case - you are making assertions about non-believers believing in your God figure and not admitting it [which I have moved to another thread because I don't see how it's about "belief in Jesus"].

@fmf said
Not bad. That would be a deist version of my agnostic atheism.

I recommend his 2007 book, "The Varieties of Scientific Experience: A Personal View of the Search for God."

@fmf said
Only where there is a moral dimension or when - as in the case - you are making assertions about non-believers believing in your God figure and not admitting it [which I have moved to another thread because I don't see how it's about "belief in Jesus"].

Those beliefs are religionist doctrines for some, whether one believes in them or not; and, you got trolled with those religionist beliefs.

@fmf said
Only where there is a moral dimension or when - as in the case - you are making assertions about non-believers believing in your God figure and not admitting it [which I have moved to another thread because I don't see how it's about "belief in Jesus"].

I have moved to another thread because I don't see how it's about "belief in Jesus
Bye, I wish you well. 🙂

@kingdavid403 said
I'm finding our current conversations pointless as you keep jumping down your rabbit hole in an attempt to dodge.

I am not dodging anything.

@kingdavid403 said
Those beliefs are religionist doctrines whether one believes in them or not; and, you got trolled with those religionist beliefs.

You may well have been "trolling" but, more to the point, you were trying to superimpose your belief in your God figure onto people who don't believe in your God figure. I am merely sharing my perspective as a non-believer.

@fmf said
You may well have been "trolling" but, more to the point, you were trying to superimpose your belief in your God figure onto people who don't believe in your God figure. I am merely sharing my perspective as a non-believer.

you were trying to superimpose your belief in your God figure onto people who don't believe in your God figure.
No.
You got trolled, you got mad, and in your childish tangent, you attempted to make others think that i did this.
It didn't work so well either.
Everyone here knows what a troll you can be. They all see my counter-troll on you.
End of story.
Again, nice try tho...
Nite..... 😉

@kingdavid403 said
You got trolled, you got mad, and in your childish tangent, you attempted to make others think that i did this.
It didn't work so well either.
Everyone here knows what a troll you can be. They all see my counter-troll on you.
End of story.

You may have been trolling but I wasn't.

You asserting something that you later claim you didn't believe or that you didn't really mean it when you asserted it ~ doesn't seem like a good way to conduct yourself here.

I can't think of any other regular poster who does it.

@kingdavid403 said
You respond to religonist doctrines in this thread and many others all the time.
Nice attempt at the dodge tho...
I'm finding our current conversations pointless as you keep jumping down your rabbit hole in an attempt to dodge.
Maybe I'll see ya next time. 🙂

This is the right stance.

I used to meticulously track down non-responses that he would make on pages prior to, and he would refuse to elaborate on them after I found them.

It's a silly game to frustrate you and to keep the posts flying, the pages moving.

It's not real debating.

It's not even a battle of wills, which might have some sort of merit to it, because there is no good faith participation...

It's literally just a waste of time.

So, right choice.

@handyandy said
@FMF

I think Carl Sagan had the right answer:

He believed that God exists but that no one has found him yet.

That answer is wrong because one doesn't "find" God, God finds you.

That is the correct biblical perspective, and the right one too.

Luke 19:10
"For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

God find you dying and saves you.