@kingdavid403 saidI think I finally understand your position.
Thanks for your opinion and adding to the discussion.
In my opinion,
How can it not be?
Because they don't know Jesus; yet anyway. However, they know there's a God, He's Good and Holy, and they diligently are seeking Him. Do you not think Jesus has them saved at this point? This is my point; period. Nothing more, nothing less.
Since they're truly see ...[text shortened]... right then, do you think Jesus saved them? Anyone?
Edit: Don't forget those in the Old Testament.
If a person, P, believes in God, then they are automatically saved through Jesus' redemptive work, even if they do not believe that the work took place, or they are unaware of it happening.
This means Muslims, for example, are saved by believing in God, even though they actively deny that Jesus was a deity at all.
I've got to say, that is one of the most bizarre interpretations of Christianity I have ever heard, and I've been talking about this stuff a long time. 🙂
@bigdoggproblem saidHow can it not be?
I think I finally understand your position.
If a person, P, believes in God, then they are automatically saved through Jesus' redemptive work, even if they do not believe that the work took place, or they are unaware of it happening.
This means Muslims, for example, are saved by believing in God, even though they actively deny that Jesus was a deity at all.
I' ...[text shortened]... pretations of Christianity I have ever heard, and I've been talking about this stuff a long time. 🙂
Because they don't know Jesus; yet anyway. However, they know there's a God, He's Good and Holy, and they diligently are seeking Him. Do you not think Jesus has them saved at this point? This is my point; period. Nothing more, nothing less.
Since they're truly seeking after God, even tho they don't know Jesus, If they died right then, do you think Jesus saved them? Anyone?
Edit: Don't forget those in the Old Testament.
Please tell me what part of my position above you do not understand?
Please try to do this without your assumptions on my beliefs about Muslims, or others. My position on this post is stated above in this post. Nothing more and nothing less. Please share what it is that you do not understand? Please share why you think it is the weirdest Christianity you have ever TALKED ABOUT. lol...
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@bigdoggproblem saidhttps://www.islamicity.org/5797/jesus-in-islam/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwo6D4BRDgARIsAA6uN1_Sg4zfKFWRNKcJcuDMt6yOuYk9n7fh9IGMhiMiaNrlKctwFr2caLoaAum-EALw_wcB
I think I finally understand your position.
If a person, P, believes in God, then they are automatically saved through Jesus' redemptive work, even if they do not believe that the work took place, or they are unaware of it happening.
This means Muslims, for example, are saved by believing in God, even though they actively deny that Jesus was a deity at all.
I' ...[text shortened]... pretations of Christianity I have ever heard, and I've been talking about this stuff a long time. 🙂
If you want to know how Islam believes and worships Jesus, I suggest learning some truths. They are all in the link I provided above. Extremely good Islamic website that spells it all out. And guess what, the article was written by Muslims and the website is run by Muslims. Spooky huh? lol... Also, Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah; and, that it is Jesus who is coming back to judge the world.
@bigdoggproblem saidI've got to say, that is one of the most bizarre interpretations of Christianity I have ever heard, and I've been talking about this stuff a long time.
I think I finally understand your position.If a person, P, believes in God, then they are automatically saved through Jesus' redemptive work, even if they do not believe that the work took place, or they are unaware of it happening.This means Muslims, for example, are saved by believing in God, even though they actively deny that Jesus was a deity at all.I've got to sa ...[text shortened]... pretations of Christianity I have ever heard, and I've been talking about this stuff a long time. 🙂
Is it not - at least - akin [shall we say] to the theology Rajk999 espouses?
@KingDavid403
Matthew 7:20-23 KJV - "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. By their fruits, not by their talk.
@philokalia saidThen give us the passage that we may understand what you mean.
There are those that were unable to receive Christ, whether due to never being exposed to Him, or whether due to very extenuating circumstances, who will be saved.
A passage in Luke 12 tells us about the nature of this.
