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Originally posted by @thinkofone
Which of the two sons truly "believes him"? The one who claims to "believe him" or the one who does it?
The one who latter repented and went to do the work.
And in the very interpretation from Jesus Himself He was referring to the people (unlikely as they may have been) who BELIEVED the preaching of God's servant.
You're ignoring the significance that Jesus applied to HIS OWN parable.
32 “For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him. "
Now we know that your "Jesus ministry when He walked on earth" merely means YOUR twisting of His words to push off YOUR atheist agenda.
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-Removed-The answer the question and we'll see how smart you are.
We know you can formulate insults to poison the well and close down debate. We know you can fight with ad homs.
Folks, I suspect you should brace yourselves for more insults and no reasoned answer to my question.
Was ...
" ... all the saints who are in Philippi, with the overseers and deacons ..."
... not the church in Philippi because there was some organization as to who were overseers and some organization as to who were deacons ?
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Originally posted by @sonshipThe one who latter repented and went to do the work.Which of the two sons truly "believes him"? The one who claims to "believe him" or the one who does it?
The one who latter repented and went to do the work.
And in the very interpretation from Jesus Himself He was referring to the people (unlikely as they may have been) who BELIEVED the preaching of God's servant.
You're ignoring th ...[text shortened]... hen He walked on earth" merely means YOUR twisting of His words to push off YOUR atheist agenda.
That's right.
The son who did the work is the one who truly "believes him".
Not the one who claims to "believe him".
You're ignoring the significance that Jesus applied to HIS OWN parable.
Actually you are. See above.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneIn the parable the work commanded corresponds to what John the Baptist was preaching - for the people to repent.
[b]The one who latter repented and went to do the work.
That's right.
The son who did the work is the one who truly "believes him".
Not the one who claims to "believe him".[/b]
Those who believed and repented were the corresponding to the parable's repentant man who changed his mind and went to do what the father ordered.
32 “For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him. "
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Originally posted by @sonship[/b]That's right.
In the parable the work commanded corresponds to what John the Baptist was preaching - for the people to repent.
Those who believed and repented were the corresponding to the parable's repentant man who changed his mind and went to do what the father ordered.[b] 32 “For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not b ...[text shortened]... and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him. "
The son who changes his mind (repents) and does the work is the one who truly "believes him".
Not the one who claims to "believe him" and does not do the work.
-Removed-What ground do you have to say saints in Houston Texas who come together as "the church in Houston" are not the local church if some amount of organization is involved?
If they receive in principle all whom Jesus has received then they are not a denomination. They are in fact the local expression of the universal church in the city of Houston.
The church in Jerusalem in Acts, if they receive in principle all whom Jesus had received was "the church in Jerusalem" . It was not a denomination in Jerusalem.
And thought they organized to meet from house to house in perhaps thousands of houses they were still "the church in Jerusalem".
So if Christian return to the local ground and receive all whom Jesus has received, they have the right to confess that they stand as the local church.
The publishing organization is just that, a publishing organization. That is work carried out on behalf of the local churches and on behalf of all Christians meeting or not meeting as local churches.
So a publishing firm dedicated to distribution of ministry material is not the church. It is as it says a Living Stream publishing firm.
This work does not make the church in Houston or the church in London or the church in Sidney or the church in any other city not the church in that city.
Did Paul organizing a team of outreach evangelists make any one of the churches under his care not churches because of that ?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneDo you do the work of God?
That's right.
The son who changes his mind (repents) and does the work is the one who truly "believes him".
Not the one who claims to "believe him" and does not do the work.
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Folks ThinkOfOne, for all we've been able to figure out, does not believe in God. Maybe one day he'll confess God and prove me wrong.
One not believing in God certainly will not believe he is serving God or doing any of the work of God.
It is his (the Atheist's) work. So how can it be the work of a God whom he does not believe exists?
More importantly the work of God is to FIRST Let God WORK on you. Atheists refuse for God to work on or in them anything. They refuse by denying that God IS in the first place.