Ephesians 5

@sonship said
@FMF

You gossip too much.
And in doing so you abbreviate a lot of other things posters also said.

Is Eladar right on marital rape in a Christian marriage? Rape is a serious matter, sonship. Stop trying to score cheap points.

@sonship said
You want to continue some debate with a poster not here now? Go find them and invite them back so they can speak to your review of all their ideas.

I am having a debate with Eladar. It seems to have been triggered by me mentioning a past debate. What's the matter with you? Rape is a serious matter. Enough with your banter.

@fmf said
Is Eladar right on marital rape in a Christian marriage? Rape is a serious matter, sonship. Stop trying to score cheap points.

Of course I am right. You are just to blind and stupid to understand what I am saying.

Try telling me what I am saying in your own words.

@eladar said
A Christian wife would not withhold sex. If a woman does then she is not a Christian. If she claims to be then she is a liar and the truth is not within her.

Are you sure?

One of your definitions of "Christian" is a woman follower of Jesus who does "not withhold sex" from her husband? Are you sure?

How many times would this have to happen for her to no longer be a Christian?

@eladar said
Try telling me what I am saying in your own words.

I think you are saying that if a Christian woman withholds sex from her husband then she is lying about being a Christian.

@fmf said
Are you sure?

One of your definitions of "Christian" is a woman follower of Jesus who does "not withhold sex" from her husband? Are you sure?

How many times would this have to happen for her to no longer be a Christian?

So now you understand, maybe.

I am sure what the Biblical definition of a Christian is. When I talk about Christians understand that I am only using that definition.

By her actions she reveals what is in her heart.

@eladar said
There can only be marital rape if the one withholding sex is not Christian. Of course it would also show the one raping is not Christian.

How long after the rape would "the one doing the raping" not be a Christian if they prayed sincerely for "forgiveness"?

Does the Christian woman become not-a-Christian the first time she "withholds sex"? If it happens twice? Half a dozen? Ten? When does her being-a-Christian stop?

@eladar said
By her actions she reveals what is in her heart.

Maybe she doesn't want to have sex for emotional reasons due to issues in their marriage. Does that really mean she isn't a Christian?

@eladar said
When I talk about Christians understand that I am only using that definition.

So, according to your definition of a Christian wife, she must have sex with her husband even if she doesn't want to, is that right? She is a Christian, doesn't want to, he is a Christian, he wants to. He has sex with her anyway. She lets him do it. They both retain their "Christian" label according to your definition, right?

@sonship said
You gossip too much.

Is this not a topic you want to talk about?

@fmf said
So, according to your definition of a Christian wife, she must have sex with her husband even if she doesn't want to, is that right? She is a Christian, doesn't want to, he is a Christian, he wants to. He has sex with her anyway. She lets him do it. They both retain their "Christian" label according to your definition, right?

Christians are called to do what they do not want to do. It is part of being a Christian.

@eladar said
Christians are called to do what they do not want to do. It is part of being a Christian.

Part of being a "Christian" woman is having to have sex against her will sometimes? And even though it's against her will, it's not rape on the part of the husband because he is a Christian, is that the long and short of it according to your definition of "Christian"?

@eladar said
So now you understand, maybe.

I am sure what the Biblical definition of a Christian is. When I talk about Christians understand that I am only using that definition.

By her actions she reveals what is in her heart.

So, if a Christian man rapes his Christian wife, you just remove the label "Christian" from both of them?

@fmf said
How long after the rape would "the one doing the raping" not be a Christian if they prayed sincerely for "forgiveness"?

Does the Christian woman become not-a-Christian the first time she "withholds sex"? If it happens twice? Half a dozen? Ten? When does her being-a-Christian stop?

At that moment.