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-Removed-In that quotation that you LOVE so dearly I showed you -
1. chains or "eternal bonds" was not that extra-biblical a concept.
2. Punishment as a warning or deterrent also is not that extra-biblical.
I don't recall any strong refutation of those demonstrations.
You need some new arguments Divegeester.
You can't live on in the past forever.
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-Removed-That is not your strongest argument.
You do have a stronger argument which I probably have never completely dealt with.
I am being honest with you.
it is evident that there are scenes of fearsome punishment of at least some opponents to God's will. And there is scarce little indication that it would be a good idea to join them to discover if the identical same fate would await "lesser" offenders (if such is possible).
I think that you have had a stronger objection than this which I don't think I have ever dealt with as fully as it needs for me.
Of course when someone raises a defense mechanism "Well, your posts are hair-dyer too long anyway. And I probably won't read your waffle" it doesn't encourage me to spend the time to carefully examine your objection.
If this is the effect that you want - to cause the poster not to want to debate, it can be an effective tactic. I won't waste time until someone comes along and asks about the same matter in a manner which indicates a mind willing to examine the problem carefully.
The Bible in fact, is not always easy to understand. Recently in the thread on "The Two Trees" I admitted that I was explaining some things that have aspects that I do not claim to understand that well.
I'm not in the mood today to tell you which of your annihilation arguments I find stronger than this stuff trying to portray Jesus as a Sadist. I am here seeking for the truth like other people.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIts not about not liking it. Its simply illogical.
We do tend to try to avoid things we don't like. The thing about God's wrath is that is a
very horrible thing, just as His love is a very good thing. He doesn't mix the two, when you
do get one, you get it. So when His mercy is throughout all time, and adding no pain with
it, His wrath will be as bad as His mercy is good. It isn't surprising that those ...[text shortened]... ver, those found out of it will be
dealing with results, there are no other options before man.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelWhat do you find illogical about casting away those that choose to reject God, instead of
Its not about not liking it. Its simply illogical.
allowing them into His Kingdom.
divegeester: Instead you prefer to blame FMF for the dozens of people you feel he has caused to go to hell.divegeester has the detail wrong; you asserted that maybe hundreds - not dozens - of people on this web site will suffer eternal torment as a result of reading my non-Christian posts. You surely remember. Twice before you pretended not to remember saying it. And twice before I showed it to you.
Originally posted by @sonship
Do you have a cut and paste quotation for that that I can examine
Originally posted by @suzianneHello? Hello?
As to the idea of "eternal damnation" (as opposed to the idea of "eternal punishment" ), what do you think happens to those found "wanting" at Judgement? Regardless of their punishment, whether "eternal" or short-lived, are they not "eternally" damned?
I mean anyone who has been in this forum for any length of time at all can tell, you're against this ...[text shortened]... I don't see why they should be conflated.
Or do you think man will escape judgement somehow?
Is this thing on?
divegeester, I didn't ask you these questions just to hear the "tikki-tak" of my keyboard, you know.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeHey, I tried, and got exactly 'bupkis'.
Why a sane person would make such a post as that is beyond me. There is nothing apparent about your 'apparently.'
Why not simply ask Dive what he thinks happens to bad people when they die?
Next suggestion?