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Sonship claims their are two "different" gospels. In your opinion how is this second gospel "different" from the first gospel? I mean in terms of the atonement, resurrection etc.
During the millennial kingdom there will be nations learning to worship God from the Jews who will be priests. All the things pertaining to atonement they will learn after having been saved by "an eternal gospel" to be transferred from the former age into the millennium.
Zechariah 8:23 - "Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you; for we have heard that God is with you."
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The overcoming Christians will be co-kings with Christ. And the remnant of saved Jews will be priests of their Messiah.
Isaiah 2:2-3 says " ... And many people shall go and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob;
And He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths; for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Jehovah from Jerusalem."
So those saved nations who were living and spared to come out of the great tribulation who are not Christians, will learn of God through the instruction of the Jews, who will be priests.
Isaiah 61:5a clearly says -
" But you will be called the priests of Jehovah;
People will speak of you as the ministers of our God."
Today, we Christians realize that the unbelieving Jews are the source of the Messiah, the Son of God. Today Israel rejects Him but the church knows that He is their Messiah.
But in the millennial kingdom, the overcoming Christians rewarded will be co-kings with Christ. And the repentant nation of Israel will consist of priests teaching the world to worship God - they will be called "ministers of our God" [/d] indicating that the God of Israel is the true God.
And Jesus will be the King of kings as the Godman upon the throne in Jerusalem. The commencement of His reign is seen in [b]Matthew 25:31-46.
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Yes, but it is to help anyone who would like help on that question.
The sheep nations are justified no doubt.
Entering into the millennium they will be taught about God.
None of what you posted supports your premise - in fact I don't even know what your premise is! Other than you think there are two different gospels. These scriptures could mean anything.
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I don't think you ever responded to my questions.
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1.) Do you think the angel will be accursed in Rev. 14:6,7 ? .
2.) How would you prove to me that what the angel announces there as "an eternal gospel" is in content exactly the same as what Paul taught in Galatians?
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You see, "an eternal gospel" does not make the typical new testament gospel wrong. It does not negate it or speak contrarily.
( The phrase verses - "vs" - was not the best choice for this thread as I already said )
But during that terrible time of suppression of the Christians and the calamities in the cosmos, God counters the activity of Antichrist with sending this angel to announce from the mid-heaven this gospel to fear God the Creator - the coming Judge of the world.
You should not think that this renders the message of the redemption of Christ wrong. Christians as the Lord's brothers even down to the least of them will be on the earth in those days.
But the angel will announce this "eternal gospel" over all the world.
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It is ironic that you of all people would not realize that there is something here.
You pouted and whined and complained about billions and billions going to hell.
When I point out now how in the last three and one half years of the great tribulation the door is so widely opened to "those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people " you complain.
I might have thought that something would ring true with you showing God sparing ignorant nations in order to people the next age.
At any rate, you have made no good case that the people being REIGNED OVER in the millennial kingdom are born again Christians.
Why have you not then concentrated on arguing for that ?
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Well, argument from apathy - ( " I DON'T CARE " ) is not very impressive. And I think it is absurd to imagine that that angel will be accursed.
But at least you gave an answer.
This is because I have no idea what your overal premise here is.
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Maybe you don't need to know my overall premise to decide on the question.
I think some limitation must be assumed on Paul's comment about a cursed angel.
1.) The time of the announcement of the angel is at best in the very last days of the church age.
2.) Paul himself, in the basic book of Christian doctrine - Romans - spent time in chapter one to show that NO ONE is with excuse to not recognize God as the Creator.
So it does make sense that in the very last times of the great tribulation this announcement would accompany God's rendering powerful disruptions in the natural realm.
And this He does to counter the horrific and powerful activity of Antichrist.
You are completely incapable of summarising your thoughts into an opening statement and I'm not going to chase you down a rabbit warren of nebulous scriptures.
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I can be too verbose at times. But maybe this objection above is just your dignifying of your laziness and ignorance of the facts in the Bible.
What are you talking about? One sentence, two max. What is your premise?
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When you try to force me to compress everything into two sentences all you are going to do is demonstrate how EASY it is for YOU to point out a perceived weakness.
You wish me to be concise because it is easier for you to charge me with error.
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What's your aim? what's your close? Then if I actually understand what you are proposing and where it will lead I MAY follow you down one of your trails. So far you have just posted pages and pages and pages of nebulous scripture without premise and and opening gambit about two gospels. You are a terrible communicator sonship, this is the crux of the issue especially in this thread.
I told you before. I did.
Concerning WHY I was discussing some of this was to help people understand Matthew 25:31-46.
Next time someone says "We can receive eternal life and be saved by works of charity alone" Some readers may say -
"Well, that passage you refer to is really about the last days. The living nations that pass through the great tribulation will be judged by "an eternal gospel" preached not by man but by an angel.
Some will well treat the harassed, refuge-ed, suffering, sick, imprisoned, impoverished brothers of the Lord Jesus. They will enter into the healing and restoration promised in all millennial prophecies in the Old Testament.
This of course is not a discouragement to doing works of charity now.
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Brothers, sisters and friends, The Bible is not always easy to understand.
It is not always a matter of explaining everything in 25 words or less.
What I have been arguing here is not a major tenet of the Christian faith. If you can't believe that "an eternal gospel" preached during the world being turned upside down by God the Creator is different from the typical traditional Gospel Hour you hear on the radio, its okay.
Put it on the back burner.
Or forget about it altogether.
But you will shift nervously when someone claims that to be saved all that is needed is to feed the hungry or care for the sick.
Remember, someone tried to help you with that line of reasoning.
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I am not sure.
I do think that it presumes that during the great tribulation someones are on earth who represent the brothers of Jesus even down to the least of them.
It is no problem to me because there is ample evidence that not all of the church will be raptured. Some Christians will be left to pass through the great tribulation.
Now concerning the millennium ?
Ooops! Have to stop. I've gone over 25 words.
You drive a hard bargain divegeester.