I guess I'm not going to get it, huh. Thought as much.

Originally posted by divegeester

But I would like to know your starting position here on how many gospels you think there are and if more than one, then, succinctly why please. Before posting the plethora of evidence as I lose the will to follow you down these scriptural rabbit holes!

Originally posted by sonship

But I would like to know your starting position here on how many gospels you think there are and if more than one, then, succinctly why please. Before posting the plethora of evidence as I lose the will to follow you down these scriptural rabbit holes!

The idea to start this thread "ie "starting point" I suppose, was to dedicate some t ...[text shortened]... more of the interpretation of the prophecy rather than what I would call the application of it.

Originally posted by divegeester
So, to bring it back to Kelly's question (again)... Are you saying you believe there are two gospels...yes or no?

Originally posted by sonship
I don't know why you are repeating the question.

Yes, is the answer, with the explanation I provided twice.

Is it because you yourself are up to something that you project and are suspicious that I am ?

This is the first I've heard of there being 2 gospels. Doesn't the NT tell us to be wary of "another gospel"? Obviously there is only one gospel or why would we be warned about there being "another"?

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The "eternal gospel" is preached at the time of the last three and a half years of this age, in the great tribulation. You should pay more attention to the wording of the paragraph which I now include for the third time.

The important words I want to emphasize are in bold.

"The eternal gospel, which will be preached during the time of the great tribulation (Matt. 24:21) differs from the gospel of grace (Acts 20:24) preached in the church age. The basic contents of the gospel of grace are repentance unto God and faith in the Lord Jesus (Acts 20:21) that men may be forgiven of their sins and be born again as the children of God (Luke 24:47; John 1:12); whereas the basic content of the eternal gospel is that men should fear God and worship God that they may not be deceived and follow Antichrist but may be brought back to the genuine worship of God, who made heaven and earth (v.7). Only man is privileged to preach the gospel of grace on the earth today (Acts 10:3-6). But the eternal gospel will be preached by the angel in the air at the close of this age."

"The eternal gospel, which will be preached during the time of the great tribulation (Matt. 24:21) differs from the gospel of grace (Acts 20:24) preached in the church age.

"I marvel that you are so quickly removing from Him who has called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel.

Which is not another gospel, only there are some who trouble you and desire to pervert the gospel of Christ."

" And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having an eternal gospel to announce to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people ."

"Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give Him glory because the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who has made heaven and earth and the sea and the springs of waters."

divegeester,

Now I sympathize with anyone puzzled that "an eternal gospel" preached by an angel is something they never heard of before. And I sympathize with anyone's caution in interpreting this message as different from the gospel preached all through the book of Acts by men.

While I symphathize, I do hold that after the pre-tribulation rapture when the church in its entirety SHOULD have been taken. the message during the great tribulation differs.

Not all of the church will be raptured because the promise of rapture is to those who watch and are ready. Those not watching and not ready will be left. So some of the church is left to pass through the time of the great tribulation.

And the "eternal gospel" will be supernaturally announced to neutralize the incredible pressure and threat of Antichrist's demand that he be worshiped as God.

This is seen in the same chapter in verses 9 through 12.

If you don't believe that the sheep and the goats respond as they do at the preaching of "an eternal gospel" than you have to believe the Gospel of grace is NOT the gospel during the church age. Rather justification is by doing kind deeds alone.

" For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave Me a drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in, Naked and you clothed Me; I was in prison and you came to Me."

Originally posted by sonship
divegeester,

Now I sympathize with anyone puzzled ...

Originally posted by sonship
divegeester,

Now I sympathize with anyone puzzled that [b]"an eternal gospel" preached by an angel is something they never heard of before. And I sympathize with anyone's caution in interpreting this message as different from the gospel preached all through the book of Acts by men.

While I symphathize, I do hold that after the pre-tribulation ra ...[text shortened]... ] Second Corinthians. [/b]

You would have to turn your criticism around to point to yourself.[/b]

The subject matter being discussed in this thread is difficult for many evangelical Christians to either understand or agree with. But I think a few Berean minded saints may at least see the ground for such explanations.

Here are a number of verses on the time of the restoration during the millennial kingdom:

(Psa. 2:6, 8-9; Isa. 2:2-5; 11:1-10; 65:20-25; 30:26; Zech. 8:20-23; Psa. 72:1-17; Isa. 4:2-6; 9:7; 12:1-5; 16:5; 32:1-2; 40:9-11; 61:4-9; Zech. 14:16-21).

And here is a paragraph concerning the restored nations (other than the sons of God) who are transferred from the current age into that millennial kingdom age.

After the war at Armageddon, the Lord will establish His throne of glory in Jerusalem and gather before Him all the nations still on earth. He will then execute His judgment upon them. As we have pointed out, this will be Christ’s judgment of the living carried out according to the eternal gospel preached by an angel in mid-heaven (14:6). The “goats” will go to the fire prepared for the Devil and his angels, and the “sheep” will enter into the millennial kingdom as citizens (Matt. 25:34). Although these “sheep” will be restored, they will not be regenerated. They will still have a rebellious nature within them, and thus they will need a further test a thousand years later. Because the Lord will use Satan to test them, He will not cast Satan into the lake of fire at the beginning of the millennium. Rather, Satan will be kept in the abyss for a thousand years. When the thousand years are over, the Lord will release Satan from the abyss and use him to test the citizens who have been on earth during the millennium. In the next message we shall see that Gog and Magog, the Russians, will not pass the test. Under Satan’s instigation, they will once more rebel against God. In this we can see that Satan is still useful in God’s hands to purge mankind.

I have no problem at all admitting that the Apostle Paul gave himself fully to preach the Gospel of the grace of God, which was also his preaching of the kingdom of God.

He did and we Christians also should.
But we also can teach about prophesy and the events of the great tribulation and afterwards.

And Rev. 14:6,7 help us to understand who are the "sheep" who become the citizens of the earth during the millennial reign of Christ and His co-kings.

We will examine some prophecies to confirm that the sons of God must have some peoples over whom they reign. And the remnant of Israel must have some nations to which they will be priests.

I still don't get what I as Christian should do or even think differently after reading your posts.

Psa. 2:6, 8-9;

"But I have installed My King upon Zion, My holy mountain. ... Ask of Me, And I will give the nations as Your inheritance and the limits of the earth as Your possession.

You will break them with an iron rod; You will shatter them like a potter's vessel."

"And he who overcomes and he who keeps My works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations;

And he will shepherd them with an iron rod, as vessels of pottery are broken in pieces, as I also have received from My Father." (Rev. 2:26,27)

"But in the last days the mountain of the house of Jehovah will be established ... And it will be lifted up among the hills ... And all the nations will stream to it, ....

And many peoples will come and say, Come let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob. That He may instruct us in His ways, And that we may walk in His paths.

For from Zion will go forth instruction. And the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem;

And He will judge between nations, And will decide matters for many peoples.

And they will beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning knives; Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore."

Originally posted by sonship
[b]Psa. 2:6, 8-9;

"But I have installed My King upon Zion, My holy mountain. ... Ask of Me, And I will give the nations as Your inheritance and the limits of the earth as Your possession.

You will break them with an iron rod; You will shatter them like a potter's vessel."

The nations given to Christ as an inheritanc ...[text shortened]... tribulation time to the millennial kingdom age.

Jerusalem will be the capital of the world.[/b]

Originally posted by sonship
[b]Psa. 2:6, 8-9;

"But I have installed My King upon Zion, My holy mountain. ... Ask of Me, And I will give the nations as Your inheritance and the limits of the earth as Your possession.

You will break them with an iron rod; You will shatter them like a potter's vessel."

The nations given to Christ as an inheritanc ...[text shortened]... tribulation time to the millennial kingdom age.

Jerusalem will be the capital of the world.[/b]