Eternal hell.

Originally posted by Penguin
Because, as I said, all religions can claim some unique feature. Having a unique feature is not in itself evidence of truth or all religions would be true. Therefore, there must be something about your particular religion, apart from its uniqueness, that makes it more likely to be true.

That is why.

--- Penguin.

Christianity has all the unique features one should expect from a true religion.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
Christianity has all the unique features one should expect from a true religion.

The Instructor

I have already said, several times, that every religion is unique. That does not make every religion true.

The 'saviour god' bit is just an extension of the blood sacrifice tradition. The shroud is no more impressive than many other religious relics.

You need a properly thought-out argument RJ. Can you manage that?

--- Penguin.

-Removed-

It isn't a matter of being a part of my faith, it is Jesus Christ and what He
did that matters, outside of Jesus there isn't another name where we can
be saved. If He doesn't know you, you are on your own in your sins.
Kelly

Originally posted by Penguin
I have already said, several times, that every religion is unique. That does not make every religion true.

The 'saviour god' bit is just an extension of the blood sacrifice tradition. The shroud is no more impressive than many other religious relics.

You need a properly thought-out argument RJ. Can you manage that?

--- Penguin.

Not to suit you.

The instructor

Originally posted by KellyJay
It isn't a matter of being a part of my faith, it is Jesus Christ and what He
did that matters, outside of Jesus there isn't another name where we can
be saved. If He doesn't know you, you are on your own in your sins.
Kelly

Can you justify that to the satisfaction of a Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu or indeed anyone at all who does not already subscribe to your faith? No? Then it clearly is a matter of being part of your faith.

--- Penguin

Originally posted by RJHinds
Not to suit you.

The instructor

Then you are failing to demonstrate any evidence that your religion is any more right than any other.

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by Penguin
Can you justify that to the satisfaction of a Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu or indeed anyone at all who does not already subscribe to your faith? No? Then it clearly [b]is a matter of being part of your faith.

--- Penguin[/b]

My faith? What would that be? I submit to you more than a few that call
themselves Christian will be thrown into Hell too, it isn't what we call
ourselves it is our relationship with Jesus Christ.
Kelly

Originally posted by Penguin
Then you are failing to demonstrate any evidence that your religion is any more right than any other.

--- Penguin.

Yes, I have. However, you are not ready to accept it.

The instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, I have. However, you are not ready to accept it.

The instructor

Your argument would not convince anyone who does not already believe. Apart from, possibly, a child.

The fact that your religion has a 'saviour god' feature and a 'shroud' relic has no bearing on whether any of its supernatural elements are actually true.

--- Penguin

Originally posted by Penguin
Your argument would not convince anyone who does not already believe. Apart from, possibly, a child.

The fact that your religion has a 'saviour god' feature and a 'shroud' relic has no bearing on whether any of its supernatural elements are actually true.

--- Penguin

There are many things that prove it is true to me. Another is the fulfilling of prophecies.

The instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
There are many things that prove it is true to me. Another is the fulfilling of prophecies.

The instructor

But those things will not convince anybody who does not already believe (or are children or massively naive)

Otherwise Christianity would be the dominant religion wherever it was known throughout the world rather than one of many.

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by RJHinds
There are many things that prove it is true to me. Another is the fulfilling of prophecies.

The instructor

So make a list of all those things, and if I present an equivalent list for some other religion, will you convert?

Originally posted by RJHinds
There are many things that prove it is true to me. Another is the fulfilling of prophecies.

The instructor

However you do not use objectively validated methods for analysing evidence.

You are convinced by things that are not only unconvincing to others, but should
not be convincing to you either.

Originally posted by Penguin
But those things will not convince anybody who does not already believe (or are children or massively naive)

Otherwise Christianity would be the dominant religion wherever it was known throughout the world rather than one of many.

--- Penguin.

Obviously you are wrong.

The Instructor

Originally posted by twhitehead
So make a list of all those things, and if I present an equivalent list for some other religion, will you convert?

I have no desire to present any list. That has already been done by others. If you wish to present a list for some other religion that is your chooice. However, I doubt that it will effect what I believe now.

The Instructor