29 Jul 09
Originally posted by daniel58I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)
He created creatures who commited sin, which is an evil, but He didn't create evil.
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)
It seems pretty clear to me that god DID create evil.
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29 Jul 09
Originally posted by rwingettYes, indeed, and thank you for that documentation.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)
It seems pretty clear to me that god DID create evil.
29 Jul 09
Originally posted by rwingettMeaning material evil; misfortune, death, sickness, not sin,
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)
It seems pretty clear to me that god DID create evil.
29 Jul 09
Originally posted by rwingettDon't tell us you turned into a fundamentalist. LOL. I suppose you do only wnen it suits you.
Nowhere does it make that distinction. It simply says that god creates evil.
As for my take on the issue, God did not create evil simply because it does not exist. It is akin to darkness. Darkness does not exist in and of itself because there is nothing there to measure. When you speak of darkness you are really measuring the absence of light because light is what exists and is measurable. Ironically, darkness is used Biblically to describe evil and I think a message is being sent here. Evil is simply the absence of the love of God in our hearts. In and of itself it does not exist.
29 Jul 09
Originally posted by whodeyDOES EVIL EXIST???
Don't tell us you turned into a fundamentalist. LOL. I suppose you do only wnen it suits you.
As for my take on the issue, God did not create evil simply because it does not exist. It is akin to darkness. Darkness does not exist in and of itself because there is nothing there to measure. When you speak of darkness you are really measuring the absence ...[text shortened]... il is simply the absence of the love of God in our hearts. In and of itself it does not exist.
The university professor challenged his students with this
question. Did God create everything that exists?
A student bravely replied "yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes, sir," the student replied.
The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil
since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who
we are then God is evil."
The student became quiet after such an answer. The professor was quite
pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once
more that the Christian faith was a myth.
Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question
professor?"
"Of course," replied the professor. The student stood up and asked,
"Professor, does cold exist?"
"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been
cold?"
The students snickered at the young man's question.
The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the
laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat.
Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter
becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not
exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no
heat.
The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?"
The professor responded, "Of course it does."
The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not
exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can
study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white
light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You
cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of
darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is?
You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a
term used by man to describe what happens when there is little or no light
present."
Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil exist?"
Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said.
We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.
It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir! Or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of
God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist
just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that
comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no
light."
The professor sat down.
The young man's name --- Albert Einstein
29 Jul 09
Originally posted by whodeyThanks for clarifying that for us non-bible readers.I will be sure to let Mick know. He is very opionated and it would probably do him good to have someone set him str8.
He was his number 1 angel? If so, how did he get kicked out of heaven by the archangel Michael according to the book of Revelation?
He reminds me of a lot of people in that way-ie.his opinions are facts for him and everybody else is wrong. Whatever beer he likes is the best , all the rest is s***.etc,etc. I just hope his narrow-minded views and attitudes don't get 'fueled' by religon. Then he could become really dangerous!
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29 Jul 09
Originally posted by rwingettQuite possibly there is a nuance in the original Hebrew that is not in English. The Catholic Bible, as an example, translates Isaiah 45:7 as 'I form the light, and create the darkness, I make well-being and create woe; I, the LORD, do all these things.'
Nowhere does it make that distinction. It simply says that god creates evil.
29 Jul 09
Originally posted by galveston75Elegant, but not true.
DOES EVIL EXIST???
The university professor challenged his students with this
question. Did God create everything that exists?
A student bravely replied "yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes, sir," the student replied.
The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil
since evil exists, ...[text shortened]... fessor sat down.
The young man's name --- Albert Einstein
Purposely creating situations which lack goodness is evil.
(Taking away the food from your neighbour's plate is evil)
29 Jul 09
Originally posted by whodeySo can you provide evidence that goodness is measurable and exists and evil is not measurable and is merely the absence of good? Can you show that it is not the case that goodness is the absence of evil?
As for my take on the issue, God did not create evil simply because it does not exist. It is akin to darkness. Darkness does not exist in and of itself because there is nothing there to measure. When you speak of darkness you are really measuring the absence of light because light is what exists and is measurable. Ironically, darkness is used Biblically t ...[text shortened]... vil is simply the absence of the love of God in our hearts. In and of itself it does not exist.