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    Originally posted by aardvarkhome
    Barley first appears in pre-agriculture sites in the near east 17000-10000 bp as remains of brittle rachis two row forms identifiable as H. vulgare ssp spontaneum (Zohary, 1994 ). The earliest report is from Ohalo II, a submerged Palaeolithic site on the southern shore of Lake Galilee and was found in association with remains of wild emmer wheat. The si ...[text shortened]... nvironment, depleted soils or irrigated areas with high salinity. (Hillman 1990) (Zohary, 1994 )
    How does this prove that man (you) and a baboon share a common ancestor?
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    16 Sep '05 20:53
    Originally posted by aardvarkhome
    The domestication of cereals is recorded....in the bible!
    lol they stole that from the Sumerians
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    16 Sep '05 21:02
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Alcohol 'evolved' from barley?
    😕
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    16 Sep '05 21:48
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    And your point is?

    Alcohol 'evolved' from barley? So what?

    I am asking for an observed example of macroevolution.
    micro / macro evolution is a meaningless distinction clung on to by religiously motivated creationists
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    16 Sep '05 21:49
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    How does this [b]prove that man (you) and a baboon share a common ancestor?[/b]
    It is an example of a novel species arising. this addresses the original question in the thread. I didn't mention baboons
  6. Standard membertelerion
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    17 Sep '05 04:29
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Evolution: The supposed change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.

    What are its requirements? Is it statistically possible?
    Sniff... Sniff...

    I smell blood. I'm a day off the trail, but I will make haste. If the quarry still stands, I will assault it with terrible fury!
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    17 Sep '05 04:50
    Page 2.

    Already there are signs along the trail that the target has suffered many wounds. It is no wonder that large predators have come ahead of me. I should not be surprised to find only a gleaming carcass at the end of the chase.

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    What is this? Some small game has crossed the path. Other hunters have been diverted. But lo! I see from its markings on the trail that the nuisance is but a shrew. Leave it.

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    No new signs of the quarry. From the indications of violence on the trial, I think it likely that even if I should overtake this prey while it still quivers, there will not be any meat left on its bones.

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    Awaiting new signs. Must rest. Recover and prepare.
  8. Standard memberHalitose
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    17 Sep '05 07:13
    Originally posted by telerion
    Page 2.

    Already there are signs along the trail that the target has suffered many wounds. It is no wonder that large predators have come ahead of me. I should not be surprised to find only a gleaming carcass at the end of the chase.

    Page 3

    What is this? Some small game has crossed the path. Other hunters have been diverted. But lo! I see from ...[text shortened]... ny meat left on its bones.

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    Awaiting new signs. Must rest. Recover and prepare.
    LOL. Very good.
  9. Standard memberHalitose
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    17 Sep '05 07:23
    Originally posted by aardvarkhome
    Is this the probability of you making sense
    No, its the probability of you not flaming in a discussion on evolution.
  10. Meddling with things
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    17 Sep '05 07:25
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    lol they stole that from the Sumerians
    Tetrploid wheat is thought to originate in SE Turkey, barley in the Jordan valley (Salemini 2005)
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    17 Sep '05 07:25
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    The thing that puzzles me about arguments against evolution is that none of them address intra-species genetic variance and/or intra-species deviations of the DNA sequence.
    Random mutation is not neccessarily the only mechanism that produces speciation since epigenetic markers may well determine which genetic variants survive a radica ...[text shortened]... may well be the next step in understanding the mechanism that produced evolutionary change.
    Feel free to lead the way in stating your case for Lamarckian evolution and epigenitics.
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    17 Sep '05 07:49
    Originally posted by Halitose
    No, its the probability of you not flaming in a discussion on evolution.
    Good morning dear heart
  13. Standard memberHalitose
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    17 Sep '05 07:52
    Originally posted by aardvarkhome
    Good morning dear heart
    And a very good morning to you too.
  14. Meddling with things
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    17 Sep '05 07:53
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    I was just prodding the question a little deeper...

    I am fully aware that you have provided evidence for 'variations within a kind'.

    'Macroevolution" needs much more than 'variations within a kind'.
    Please define 'kind'. I dont see the term in any of the usual taxanomic references.
  15. Standard memberHalitose
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    17 Sep '05 08:32
    Originally posted by aardvarkhome
    Tetrploid wheat is thought to originate in SE Turkey, barley in the Jordan valley (Salemini 2005)
    Isn't it just amasing with how much you can get away with when you use the words is thought to.
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