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Originally posted by apathistNot exactly the whole of it, but it's a beginning.
No one knows what happens when we die, except that then we are dead. Stop pretending otherwise.
Originally posted by roigam
(Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Originally posted by roigam"everlasting 'cutting-off' "?
It's so obvious that not all sins are AUTOMATICALLY FORGIVEN.
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(Matthew 25:46) "These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”
Anyways, if, as you say, all sins are not automatically forgiven, then why do you say that man pays for his sins with a simple act that he is powerless to prevent (death)?
Originally posted by KellyJayI don't. How did that escape you. Let me be crystal clear. If your bible is true, your gods are evil. Eternal punishment for mortal error is not just. Either your bible cannot be trusted or your gods are rotten.
For someone who claims they don't know happens after we die, why do you seem to think
what others believe is false?
Originally posted by KellyJayYour god needs the sacrifice blood of its own offspring in order to forgive people for being born exactly as it caused!
No, every single one of us is powerless to do anything about our sins. We sin against our
creator, what can you do to make that right, that He will accept? He made a way for us to
return to a right relationship with Him, by Jesus' precious blood. If you want to justify
yourself by some other means, why should God accept that when the Word of God made
flesh did what He did for us?
wtf
Originally posted by KellyJayAs debates and discussions go, KellyJay, "I'll trust God's perspective over yours" is a bit of a fetal position cop out. Why don't you explain why eternal punishment for mortal error is just - rather than simply assert that you think it is? Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy used to dodge arguing a position.
I'll trust God's perspective over yours.
Originally posted by apathistActually God's creation was 'very good', evil when it came polluted that, and our race
Your god needs the sacrifice blood of its own offspring in order to forgive people for being born exactly as it caused!
wtf
joined the wrong side of that struggle by going to evil's side. Evil is however something
that is going to be dealt with once and for all, and every living being that is corrupted with
it will be dealt with one way or another. Both ways will be eternal since we are eternal
beings, one will be through grace and love, the other wrath and judgment neither one will
be mixed with the other, no condemnation in God's grace, no mercy in His wrath.
Originally posted by KellyJayDid preexisting misanthropy in you draw you towards the beliefs that your religion offers, or did your religious beliefs instill your misanthropy in you?
Actually God's creation was 'very good', evil when it came polluted that, and our race
joined the wrong side of that struggle by going to evil's side. Evil is however something
that is going to be dealt with once and for all, and every living being that is corrupted with
it will be dealt with one way or another. Both ways will be eternal since we are ete ...[text shortened]... either one will
be mixed with the other, no condemnation in God's grace, no mercy in His wrath.
Originally posted by KellyJaySince humans are so rotten, which is how your god built us, I guess what, you can strap on some bombs and go kill regular people? God's will?
Actually God's creation was 'very good', evil when it came polluted that, and our race
joined the wrong side of that struggle by going to evil's side. Evil is however something
that is going to be dealt with once and for all, and every living being that is corrupted with it will be dealt with one way or another. ...