Originally posted by jaywill
Thanks for coming forward with a post. Let's take a look
Hadn't actually seen this post. I think the thread is about foundations for our lives rather then foundations for believes. In terms of foundations for belief, I think you answered that already. I base my beliefs on 'valid and rational' evidence whereas yo rit.
This is evidence that you can ignore. But I cannot.
Just breifly about the first bit (I don't have much time):
Your evidence doesn't mean nothing to me, I don't think you have any evidence. I don't disrespect your religion or the members of your religion because of this, I just don't think there is an evidence base to your beliefs.
Jesus may be history, but the bible is not a reliable historical source. A lot of the teachings of the bible arn't even particuly nice teachings. Especally with regard to the old testament, and parts of the new, there are aspects of the bible that would not be followed today or condered moral. Despite the shakey moral credential of the bibles, it has to be said that it is far more likly that the authors of the gopels wrote a few untruths to fill old testment prohesies, then that the events actually took place.
As for the number of Christians over the past two millennia, you could equally quote to me about the numbers of peoples from all sorts of different faiths and religion throughout the whole of human history. Christians didn't invent religion.
Islams have taken parts of the Old Testament, in much the same way that Christians have and expanded on it. I would expect a similar responce from a Muslim with regards to the New Testament. They believe that Mohamed was the last prophet sent from God. The angel Gabriel appeared to Mohamed in a cave. Mohamed bought word from God spesifically saying that Jesus was not God, and that you would be punished for believeing this. There is absolutly no reason why any of your prohets were more reliable then Mohamed, and there is absolutly no difference between your faith and the faith of Muslims, except that there are many Muslims that have a far more deep faith in God then many Christians. So deep in fact that even educated degree holding Muslims have killed themselves (and others) in the name of their God.
As for indoctrination do you find it surprising that the majority of Muslims have Muslim parents? That most Christians have Christian parents? That most Hindus have Hindu parents? I could go on, overwhelmingly religion is transmitted through the generations. True, just because you indoctrinate somebody it doesn mean you are wrong. But why do you say that only with regards to Christianity? Is it prehaps because you were not bought up as a Muslim? A lot of children seriously believe that Father Christmas comes into their homes every year to give them presents. Of course when the bases of their faith disintergrates and they realise that there parents do not really share this believe, then they themselves cease to believe. The bases of your faith, in much the same way, is in those that have seriously believed and gone before you. But they are as right as any Muslim parant that teaches their child about Allah.
I'll read the rest of you post when I have more time.