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    01 Nov '11 22:27
    post and the armed forces. if today a hitler rose from a country invaded some minor countrys then spread out and when alll diplomacy ended would you join up to fight. since i belive most go as cannon foda. [im too old i may add and i have never held a gun in my life nor wanted to]. i would not go to the flag waving parades to watch them being sent to thier deaths. and how would you react if another went or did not go?
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    01 Nov '11 23:05
    I appreciate that this is hypothetical, but the world isn't the same as it was in the 30's~40's,
    either the new Hitler is in charge of a minor country that would simply get stomped on by the
    worlds major powers, or they're one of the major powers and the war lasts max 3 days and
    at the end the few remaining survivors are hiding from the nuclear fallout.

    There wont be any troops marching off to war.

    That said, my personal position is that while armed conflict/war should be avoided if at all possible,
    they shouldn't be avoided at all costs, and the N[bad Arian Germans that get censored]'s were more
    than evil enough to justify war against them.

    However if your position (like Gandhi when he got older) is of total non-violence/pacifism then I can
    respect that, just not agree with it.

    The fact that you can use the teachings of the Bible [insert holy book of choice] to justify and support
    both positions just underlines its uselessness in making such judgements, and is why basing such
    decisions on secular morality is better.
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    02 Nov '11 07:22
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    That said, my personal position is that while armed conflict/war should be avoided if at all possible,
    they shouldn't be avoided at all costs, and the N[bad Arian Germans that get censored]'s were more
    than evil enough to justify war against them.
    oh, were they now? or maybe that was just the propaganda people were fed so that those who were forced to march off to foreign countries in order to murder human beings felt good about doing so.
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    02 Nov '11 07:221 edit
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    I appreciate that this is hypothetical, but the world isn't the same as it was in the 30's~40's,
    either the new Hitler is in charge of a minor country that would simply get stomped on by the
    worlds major powers, or they're one of the major powers and the war lasts max 3 days and
    at the end the few remaining survivors are hiding from the nuclear fall making such judgements, and is why basing such
    decisions on secular morality is better.
    There are furthur power systems that go beyond a (particular) countries interests, in fact thats a lie really.
    Those transnationals know exactly how to excite the right part of the human mind to maximize rage/aggression and in turn also maximize forgetfullness. They've kept this world in darkness for long enough. (Getting angry makes you forget)
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    02 Nov '11 11:121 edit
    i think the posts have valid points, but i do belive a new hitler could emerge and be accepted by states. would be more likely to be a powerful nation rather than a smaller one using recent history as a example.. a fudermental attacked a major nation that nation replyed in force and took a heavy toll even loseing then in turmoil that land got a millitary person in charge and won convinceingly then thought i will eradicate all who oppose us went on to attack other nations and winning improving there standing within that land. but others mounting resistance against the leader and a major war broke out, at this point no nuke is used so a conventional war is started. [the loseing side would use nukes at some point] ..
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    02 Nov '11 13:06
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    oh, were they now? or maybe that was just the propaganda people were fed so that those who were forced to march off to foreign countries in order to murder human beings felt good about doing so.
    It was Hitler and his German army that began attacking other European
    countries. Perhaps you do not read history books or else you believe
    they are propaganda and Hitler was a good Christian fellow just trying
    to do God's work.
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    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    There are furthur power systems that go beyond a (particular) countries interests, in fact thats a lie really.
    Those transnationals know exactly how to excite the right part of the human mind to maximize rage/aggression and in turn also maximize forgetfullness. They've kept this world in darkness for long enough. (Getting angry makes you forget)
    I don't think the Jews will forget, nor will many Christians.
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    02 Nov '11 13:26
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    oh, were they now? or maybe that was just the propaganda people were fed so that those who were forced to march off to foreign countries in order to murder human beings felt good about doing so.
    Have you read any history about WW2??
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    02 Nov '11 13:27
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    It was Hitler and his German army that began attacking other European
    countries. Perhaps you do not read history books or else you believe
    they are propaganda and Hitler was a good Christian fellow just trying
    to do God's work.
    Hitler wasn't good, but he was Christian, Catholic to be precise.
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    02 Nov '11 14:10
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I don't think the Jews will forget, nor will many Christians.
    thats correct.. but before the war, the nations apeased him, even he tryed to ship out jews and no one wanted them so they returned to germany .
    if memory serves me it was called the :ship of death: as most goverments knew then, but most of the people did not . But i think the earlier post may have been refering to ww1 when it was more like he discribed
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    02 Nov '11 15:02
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Hitler wasn't good, but he was Christian, Catholic to be precise.
    And it seems Hitler and the Catholic church were pretty good friends.
    This is one of many reasons why the JW's do not associate themselves with the so called Christian religions of the world. Those religions such as the Catholics prostitute themselves with their associations with whatever governments they can to either survive or even thrive.
    And they are even willing to bless the weapons that will be used against their fellow believers in their own religion.
    How can this even come close to being the "Love that the brothers would have among themselves" that Jesus said would be a mark of his followers?

    http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/RC_scandal-2.html
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    Originally posted by galveston75
    And it seems Hitler and the Catholic church were pretty good friends.
    This is one of many reasons why the JW's do not associate themselves with the so called Christian religions of the world. Those religions such as the Catholics prostitute themselves with their associations with whatever governments they can to either survive or even thrive.
    And th ...[text shortened]... ld be a mark of his followers?

    http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/RC_scandal-2.html
    I really don't think it's fair to pin any one religion on Hitler as he was not a practicing religous person. He might have been raised Catholic but he certainly was not a devout Catholic. Hitler's interactions with religous institutions went only so far as political manipulation to get them to go along with or at least ignore the National Socialist agenda. Sadly the major Christian denominations of that time didn't need too much cajoling to, at the very least, turn a blind eye to the scapegoating of the Jews and Bolsheviks.
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    Originally posted by Ullr
    I really don't think it's fair to pin any one religion on Hitler as he was not a practicing religous person. He might have been raised Catholic but he certainly was not a devout Catholic. Hitler's interactions with religous institutions went only so far as political manipulation to get them to go along with or at least ignore the National Socialist agenda. S ling to, at the very least, turn a blind eye to the scapegoating of the Jews and Bolsheviks.
    Yes I know he somewhat turned his back on religion as well as humanity but the facts of the Catholics and their friendship with Hitler and then the willingness to go as far as blessing the weapons they were going to use against their own in faith is beyond acceptance.
    Not even close to being Christian or a follower of Jesus.

    http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/post.php?threadid=143059&frompage=1&postid=2756496
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    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Hitler wasn't good, but he was Christian, Catholic to be precise.
    Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity."[30] It was Goebbels opinion that Hitler was "deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian."[31][32] Albert Speer reports in his memoirs of a similar statement made by Hitler: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

    Adolf Hitler

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Public_statements
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    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity."[30] It was Goebbels opinion that Hitler was "deeply religious but entirely anti r

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views#Public_statements
    Outwardly he was a Catholic, inside he was a materialist and wholeheartedly believed in
    social Darwinism and the application of evolutionary principles. If the Germans were
    stronger they would overcome the Slavs and vice versa.
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