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Originally posted by Nicksten
[b]So we are trying to get our crap together and unify the planet so it may enter the greater universal community of enlightened planets and you are worried about gays because they are immoral and unnatural.
Well, this is what the discussion is about, isn't it?


As for being unnatural, I'm not so sure anyone could give me a definition of "natura ...[text shortened]... l and immoral. I've said it 5 times, and I will say it a billion more times.

Yes, well since my mind is sick because I'm a straight man who doesn't see anything wrong or really all that different between gay and straight sex, I guess you wont want to talk to me anymore.

Yep, just go and say it another billion times. Thats the kind of repitition that will surely achieve something. What that is, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure it's not really going to affect people's sexual oreintation, because, as I said earlier, there a far greater immoral injustices in the world.

"If your not told you will do it again". It's lines like that that keep reaffirming to me that Christianity is largely a childish "beginners" religion to introduce people to a few basic universal concepts.
Jesus' core message wasn't unique, he may as well have been a buddhist monk the way he carried on and the stuff he said. A bhoddisattva at best.

Seeya, wouldn't want to be ya 😉

Originally posted by Conrau K
As a gay man, perhaps I can contribute to this discussion. I can assure anyone in doubt that I did not choose my sexual orientation. At least, if I did, I have no recollection of it and it must have been before the age of reason when I could be culpable for such a choice. Of course, it is my choice whether I have sex or not; it is not my choice, however, wh ...[text shortened]... s who engage in oral or other non-procreative sexual activities? Shouldn't these also be gross.

I think these types of questions have been thrown around by various posters and I cant remember ever hearing of a remotely adequate answer. But you never know 🙂

Originally posted by Nicksten
Isn't it obvious, maybe even a with a bit of logic, that gay SEX is unnatural?

Other animals do it; therefore it's natural. Hard to get more obvious than that.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Except God is not imaginary...you can only wish..but it is a losing bet. 🙂

A bet implies that something is at stake.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Other animals do it; therefore it's natural. Hard to get more obvious than that.

This must be in the list of top 5 pathetic posts I've ever read.
If that's the way to argue - then join 'em.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Yes, well since my mind is sick because I'm a straight man who doesn't see anything wrong or really all that different between gay and straight sex, I guess you wont want to talk to me anymore.

Yep, just go and say it another billion times. Thats the kind of repitition that will surely achieve something. What that is, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sur ...[text shortened]... nd the stuff he said. A bhoddisattva at best.

Seeya, wouldn't want to be ya 😉

At least by saying to people they are doing what is unethical and morally wrong, I am helping the human race to tell them that. You are just sitting and going with the flow, driving the human race into a brick wall.

You have zero understanding of Christianity. Keep following your faith, maybe it will lead you into thinking child porn is okay for our inner pleasures as well, heck if being gay isn't sick, then child porn isn't any different (to you?).

Yes there are far more and greater immoral injustices in the world. You are more than welcome to open threads to discuss them.

Originally posted by Nicksten
At least by saying to people they are doing what is unethical and morally wrong, I am helping the human race to tell them that. You are just sitting and going with the flow, driving the human race into a brick wall.

You have zero understanding of Christianity. Keep following your faith, maybe it will lead you into thinking child porn is okay for our inne er immoral injustices in the world. You are more than welcome to open threads to discuss them.

How does child porn ie. the sexual abuse of a minor, equate to consenting sex between adults?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
How does child porn ie. the sexual abuse of a minor, equate to consenting sex between adults?

I remember as a young boy when homosexuality was decriminalised and people congregated outside state parliament waving placards warning that this was the start of pedophilia. Not then nor now will I ever see a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I remember as a young boy when homosexuality was decriminalised and people congregated outside state parliament waving placards warning that this was the start of pedophilia. Not then nor now will I ever see a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia.

au contrare you should know and be aware, controversial as it is, that the vast majority
of cases of paedophilia within the catholic church were perpetrated against young
boys. Coincidental? No link? How are we to explain the phenomena? What possessed
those people to perpetrate these crimes against these young people, was it their
homosexuality or their paedophilia?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
au contrare you should know and be aware, controversial as it is, that the vast majority
of cases of paedophilia within the catholic church were perpetrated against young
boys. Coincidental? No link? How are we to explain the phenomena? What possessed
those people to perpetrate these crimes against these young people, was it their
homosexuality or their paedophilia?

that the vast majority of cases of paedophilia within the catholic church were perpetrated against young boys.

Show me the data, i'd like to see that.

Found it.

• The largest group of alleged victims (50.9% ) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7. Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female. Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/PriestAbuseScandal.htm

So if, as your suggesting, homosexuality was the cause of the 81% of males being abuse, was hetrosexuality the cause for the 19% of females abused?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Found it.

• The largest group of alleged victims (50.9% ) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7. Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female. Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.

http://ww ...[text shortened]... use of the 81% of males being abuse, was hetrosexuality the cause for the 19% of females abused?

This is an irrelevancy because it seeks not to explain the phenomena, but to state that
heterosexuality was responsible for the abuse of young girls, when in fact, it is clear
that it was paedophilia, the same cannot be said of those acts perpetrated against
young boys by those of the same sex. Its an astonishing figure. I suspect that it has
more to do with expediency, in that boys were probably more readily available as
victims, although its purely speculative.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
This is an irrelevancy because it seeks not to explain the phenomena, but to state that
heterosexuality was responsible for the abuse of young girls, when in fact, it is clear
that it was paedophilia, the same cannot be said of those acts perpetrated against
young boys by those of the same sex. Its an astonishing figure. I suspect that it has ...[text shortened]... in that boys were probably more readily available as
victims, although its purely speculative.

The same cannot be said of those acts perpetrated against young boys by those of the same sex.

Why not?

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Other animals do it; therefore it's natural. Hard to get more obvious than that.

However, humans are not animals... even though they act like it sometimes. Animals lack the ability to reason and are driven more by instint than anything else. Humans reason, think, have feelings and care among other characteristics. To equate humans to animals is, well, shortsighted.

-k

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]The same cannot be said of those acts perpetrated against young boys by those of the same sex.

Why not?[/b]

because in the case of young girls the charge of homosexuality cannot be upheld, only
paedophilia remains, in the case of young boys, it is unclear what motivated the
molesters.