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Originally posted by robbie carrobieJesus defined a slave as "everyone who commits sin"
and your point is caller?
Jesus stated that continuing in His word would free disciples of His from the slavery of committing sin.
Originally posted by Nemesio[/i]lol. I think you understood the point. Those who believe that all that is required is that they are baptised and / or "profess belief" use similar arguments. You both choose to ignore / alter the words of Jesus to fit your preconceptions.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]By this line of thinking, I'd think that you'd agree with the following:
Allow me to amend it so that I can agree with it, because, of course,
you perverted it in your reinterpretation.
[i]Simply because I say to my son, 'You are to do good works,' doesn't mean that I don't know that at
some poin the purpose of forgiveness, a central point of Jesus teaching.
Nemesio[/b]
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne"Implicit in surrender is the love of God. Love is not love if it does not accept you for exactly who you are at this moment."
[b]"Implicit in surrender is the love of God. Love is not love if it does not accept you for exactly who you are at this moment."
What leads you to believe this?
How does this fit with the following?:
Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in ...[text shortened]... orks?' Then I will tell them,'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'[/b]
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneAnd pray tell what do you believe in ToO?
[/i]lol. I think you understood the point. Those who believe that all that is required is that they are baptised and / or "profess belief" use similar arguments. You both choose to ignore / alter the words of Jesus to fit your preconceptions.
Try to keep from getting so mired down in the details.
Originally posted by epiphinehasI dig what you are saying Ephin. I think you know I understand where you are coming from. God is nothing if he is not the unconditional lover , the Father who accepts us when we fail and loves us despite our faults. What you have described is so human and real. God bless.
[b]"Implicit in surrender is the love of God. Love is not love if it does not accept you for exactly who you are at this moment."
What leads you to believe this?
Love. More specifically, the love that my Father in heaven has for me. My earthly father left me when I was young and I have been fatherless throughout childhood and most of my adult ...[text shortened]... t fit? The "I never knew you" part might be a clue.
God is love.[/b]
Originally posted by Nemesio"No. Believers take the meaning signified by the words seriously. You would have them be interpreted in a bizarre, ultra-literal way which results in contradictions with other things Jesus said."
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]Those who believe that all that is required is that they are baptised and / or "profess belief" use similar arguments. You both choose to ignore / alter the words of Jesus to fit your preconceptions.
No. Believers take the meaning signified by the words seriously. You would have them be interpreted
in a b ect, I'm sure, but one needs to look at verses both individually
and in context.
Nemesio[/b]
Originally posted by epiphinehasCan you not see from the passage that Jesus has a different standard of acceptance than you no matter how deeply felt your sentiments? It's quite conditional. Clearly not everyone is "accepted" the way they are.
[b]"Implicit in surrender is the love of God. Love is not love if it does not accept you for exactly who you are at this moment."
What leads you to believe this?
Love. More specifically, the love that my Father in heaven has for me. My earthly father left me when I was young and I have been fatherless throughout childhood and most of my adult t fit? The "I never knew you" part might be a clue.
God is love.[/b]
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou clearly have no idea what you're talking about, ToO.
Can you not see from the passage that Jesus has a different standard of acceptance than you no matter how deeply felt your sentiments? It's quite conditional. Clearly not everyone is "accepted" the way they are.
Also look at the following:
John 14:21-24
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth m g His word.
Hopefully you'll consider that Jesus may understand more about love than you.
Originally posted by epiphinehasYou really seem to struggle to see the words of Jesus.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, ToO.
Originally posted by knightmeisterThanks, KM. God bless.
I dig what you are saying Ephin. I think you know I understand where you are coming from. God is nothing if he is not the unconditional lover , the Father who accepts us when we fail and loves us despite our faults. What you have described is so human and real. God bless.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYour interpretation is unintelligible and unsupportable. The term 'evil fruit' departs from the very
My comment was directed to your focusing on the details of the "reinterpretation" of the example of your son rather than the larger point. By all means study Scripture closely and look at the Greek. However, it's evident that you settled on a translation of "bad fruit" and then altered the verses around it to fit your translation. And make no mistake, of ...[text shortened]... e that you continue to pretend that the only viable translation is "diseased fruit".
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'd say this is a fair conclusion.
Clearly, love is dependent on keeping His commandments and keeping His word.