Originally posted by twhitehead I don't think so. I think most theists take it as an article of faith, or more often a simple assumption or unquestioned fact.
That is taking "faith" a step further than just believing then.
You are saying that most theists simply assume their god is
good? Without any critical thought? That would mean they
could not defend their god from attack apart from the lame
"I think he is good". (Albeit wrapped up in some theological babble)
Originally posted by wolfgang59 I can't take credit for this but a friend put forward this observation.
If you read any novel, you determine who the good guys and bad guys
are. You make that decision based on the characters actions and deeds
in relation to your own morality. The novel does not, for example, have
to explicitly say "Harry Potter is a good wizard"
Why then does the bible have to?
Is it because god's deeds are contrary to human morality?
Isaiah 55:8-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Originally posted by wolfgang59 Welll you have obviously judged him to be perfect.
How did you come to that conclusion?
What criteria did you use?
And why are you allowed to judge god and not others?
Originally posted by wolfgang59 Welll you have obviously judged him to be perfect.
How did you come to that conclusion?
What criteria did you use?
And why are you allowed to judge god and not others?
No. To "judge" requires authority over the person (or persons) to be judged. When I first became aware of the possibility that God might exist and said: "If you're up there I want to know you" my neck was arched back against my upper spine while my eyes were looking upward at the moon and the stars. In all my years on planet earth never once while praying have I looked downward as if judging God. Later He provided salvation information: faith alone in Christ alone; I inaudibly said, "Yes, Father, I believe in the person and work [substitutionary spiritual death] of Jesus Christ on my behalf".
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby Originally posted by wolfgang59 [b]Welll you have obviously judged him to be perfect.
How did you come to that conclusion?
What criteria did you use?
And why are you allowed to judge god and not others?
No. To "judge" requires authority over the person (or persons) to be judged. When I first became aware of the possibility that ...[text shortened]... believe in the person and work [substitutionary spiritual death] of Jesus Christ on my behalf".[/b]
Don't be ridiculous - you are using a very limited definition of judge.
You judge and use your judgement every day over things you have no authority over.
You make a judgement about what clothes to wear.
You judge films you see, books you read and people you meet.
Your judgements govern your future actions.
Worshipping god is surely not a trivial matter that you gave it
no judgement ie "Is this the right path for me"
[b] “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts. [/b]
Originally posted by twhitehead I actually don't know about 'most theists', but when I was a child I was a theist and I don't remember ever questioning it.
Originally posted by wolfgang59 Don't be ridiculous - you are using a very limited definition of judge.
You judge and use your judgement every day over things you have no authority over.
You make a judgement about what clothes to wear.
You judge films you see, books you read and people you meet.
Your judgements govern your future actions.
Worshipping god is surely not a trivial matter that you gave it
no judgement ie "Is this the right path for me"
The function of human volition [the decider in our souls] chooses most
desirable options: "decisions". Judging requires a position of responsibility
and delegated authority. We're stalled over the meaning of a word.
Originally posted by KellyJay That is supposed to mean what to me?
Kelly
One thing I see, you have gotten a thicker skin since you started posting here a few years ago. I remember how you were so offended by my assertions back then. Now you shrug them off. A sign of growth.
Originally posted by sonhouse One thing I see, you have gotten a thicker skin since you started posting here a few years ago. I remember how you were so offended by my assertions back then. Now you shrug them off. A sign of growth.
Maybe, but you didn't see the posts that were written then deleted. 🙂
Kelly
19 Mar '14 20:10
God is good?
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