I can't take credit for this but a friend put forward this observation.
If you read any novel, you determine who the good guys and bad guys
are. You make that decision based on the characters actions and deeds
in relation to your own morality. The novel does not, for example, have
to explicitly say "Harry Potter is a good wizard"
Why then does the bible have to?
Is it because god's deeds are contrary to human morality?
18 Mar 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59Quotes and references, please.
I can't take credit for this but a friend put forward this observation.
If you read any novel, you determine who the good guys and bad guys
are. You make that decision based on the characters actions and deeds
in relation to your own morality. The novel does not, for example, have
to explicitly say "Harry Potter is a good wizard"
Why then does the bible have to?
Is it because god's deeds are contrary to human morality?
I happen to think Harry Potter is a sod.
19 Mar 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59Human morality is against human morality.
I can't take credit for this but a friend put forward this observation.
If you read any novel, you determine who the good guys and bad guys
are. You make that decision based on the characters actions and deeds
in relation to your own morality. The novel does not, for example, have
to explicitly say "Harry Potter is a good wizard"
Why then does the bible have to?
Is it because god's deeds are contrary to human morality?
So by what standard would you judge God by?
Kelly
19 Mar 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59Originally posted by wolfgang59
I would judge any god by my own standards.
What standards do you use?
I would judge any god by my own standards.
What standards do you use?
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How honest and how sad, wolfgang59:
From what authoritative source did you acquire "my own standards"
as the basis from which to "judge any god"?
19 Mar 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI'll ask you the same question as KellyJay.
Originally posted by wolfgang59
I would judge any god by my own standards.
What standards do you use?
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How honest and how sad, wolfgang59:
From what authoritative source did you acquire "my own standards"
as the basis from which to "judge any god"?
By what standards do you judge your god?
In other words; how do you discern if he is good or not?
Originally posted by wolfgang59wolfgang59, it is the height of arrogance for any human being to even presume to "judge" Almighty God and/or His Perfect Righteousness. Anyone who persists in thinking otherwise will be in for quite a surprise at the Great White Throne Judgment.
I'll ask you the same question as KellyJay.
By what standards do you judge your god?
In other words; how do you discern if he is good or not?
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19 Mar 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59Who are you to judge God?
I would judge any god by my own standards.
What standards do you use?
I acknowledge that I'm not a good source for standards of right and wrong,
since I know I have and still do when I'm not careful accept things I like
over what is right. I can also turn a blind eye to what is bad over what is
right and good too.
I will stand in judgment over other people since they share the same
strengths and faults I have, but God I find when I walking in His ways I
find them good.
Kelly
19 Mar 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59In the very best novels (or movies), there are no good guys or bad guys, there are only guys (with various failings).
If you read any novel, you determine who the good guys and bad guys
are.
The novel does not, for example, have to explicitly say "Harry Potter is a good wizard"
But it does strongly imply it in various ways, even though it is not necessarily true. I always felt that the students in Slytherin were unfairly discriminated against and that Harry Potter is in many ways not a very nice boy - nor particularly clever either.
19 Mar 14
Originally posted by FreakyKBHNot a good example on my part ... he is a brat at times!! 😀
Quotes and references, please.
I happen to think Harry Potter is a sod.
But I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from.
We make judgements on characters in books based on their actions,
we do not need the author to say "This is Jack Reacher, he is a good
guy" (again perhaps not a good example just what I read last)
19 Mar 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWelll you have obviously judged him to be perfect.
wolfgang59, it is the height of arrogance for any human being to even presume to "judge" Almighty God and/or His Perfect Righteousness. Anyone who persists in thinking otherwise will be in for quite a surprise at the Great White Throne Judgment.
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How did you come to that conclusion?
What criteria did you use?
And why are you allowed to judge god and not others?
19 Mar 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59I do, but I think it is more complicated than that. I think we usually do know who the author is pushing as the 'good guy' and we may disagree with the authors judgment. I suspect that if you were asked to name the 'good guy' in the last 20 novels you read you would name them based on who the author was promoting as 'good guy' and not on a fair assessment of their moral behaviour during the novel.
But I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from.