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Has God ever appeared in any way shape or form so that man could see Him?
Through out all of History?
Manny
Through out all of History?
Manny
Originally posted by menace71God is essence itself. It is the 'force of animation' which is in all living things-(of course God is much more,everything thought of and un thought of)- but for the purposes of addressing your question I will stick to my contention that God is the force of animation.
Has God ever appeared in any way shape or form so that man could see Him?
Through out all of History?
Manny
Originally posted by menace71That doesn’t make you close-minded. I am a non-dualist, so my view is closer to Karoly’s and blackbeetle’s. But theistic dualism (God is a being) versus non-dualism (God is the ground of being—in which, from which and of which everything is; the Tao of Taoism, Brahman in Advaita Vedanta, Ein Sof in the Jewish version)—well, that’s the great divide in religious philosophy.
Hey karoly
Thanks for your thoughts and answer there. I admit that I may seem closed minded in the aspect that I believe in the Judaic / Christian God. I believe God to be a being that is personal and very involved in the universe. I would say I always believed in a god even as a young man in HS. Maybe it is partially due to growing up in the western ...[text shortened]... y believe He will eventually restore this universe and earth and We will see God.
Manny
Originally posted by karoly aczelThis reminds me of the lamed vav: the “thirty-six”. In the Talmud, it is said that there are—at any given time—36 tzaddikim, righteous (or holy) persons in the world, whose presence keeps the whole thing from unraveling into chaos. Some of them can be known, some are unknown, some are unknown even to themselves.
God is essence itself. It is the 'force of animation' which is in all living things-(of course God is much more,everything thought of and un thought of)- but for the purposes of addressing your question I will stick to my contention that God is the force of animation.
God has appeared in many different ways to people all over the world an in all times. ...[text shortened]... onder what you meant exactly by "..God..any way shape form.."(?) Thnx🙂
Originally posted by menace71I'm not knocking your view point about your beliefs but you make the comment that some have seen God.
Hey karoly
Thanks for your thoughts and answer there. I admit that I may seem closed minded in the aspect that I believe in the Judaic / Christian God. I believe God to be a being that is personal and very involved in the universe. I would say I always believed in a god even as a young man in HS. Maybe it is partially due to growing up in the western ...[text shortened]... y believe He will eventually restore this universe and earth and We will see God.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Isa 6 is just what it says it is..a vision. Not real Manny. No one has ever seen God as it is not mentioned one time ever in the Bible.
Jacob wrestling with the Angel I think was God manifesting Himself.
Jacob's named was changed to Israel which means one who wrestles with God and lives.
Melchizedek I think was the pre-incarnate Christ. (For our JW friends we can argue if God in a different thread) "The king of Salem" The king of Peace roughly translated.
The Angel that spoke to Sam ...[text shortened]... argue that one)
There are too many more examples of God showing Himself to man.
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75Yes thats right Galveston, I would like to think I'm adding to other views. "Truth" is not limited to one point of view, and in this sense , if it works for you then fine. I have no problem with people not agreeing with my views. They (my views) are very hard to describe in any accurate fashion. I just try my best and often feel that others have described it better than I have. But I never one to shy away from giving it a try.
I'm not knocking your view point about your beliefs but you make the comment that some have seen God.
But if your going to believe what the Bible says on all things then you have to believe in the one I quoted to you at Ex 33:20 which is a very clear point it's making here.
Just my opinion but it seems your adding something here that is not found i ...[text shortened]... of Jesus from Jehovah which always blur the lines of who is being spoken of in a given verse.
Originally posted by vistesdYes the the notion of the "thirty-six" is not a problem for me. What I mean is that the idea is more important than the actual true figure.
This reminds me of the lamed vav: the “thirty-six”. In the Talmud, it is said that there are—at any given time—36 tzaddikim, righteous (or holy) persons in the world, whose presence keeps the whole thing from unraveling into chaos. Some of them can be known, some are unknown, some are unknown even to themselves.
Now, 36 may be a symboli ...[text shortened]... yway. But I’ll turn it into a little koan:
“There is no lamed vav—but you’re one of them!”
Originally posted by galveston75So what are you saying? A vision is not real? A hallucination? An LSD trip? Ok then by your reasoning we can throw away most of the old testament. If I'm to believe the account of this vision given or initiated by God it's because God wanted Isaiah to see a glimpse of Himself. Read it closely Isaiah said I saw the Lord sitting on his throne. I saw? God never corrects Isaiah. The vision was real.
Isa 6 is just what it says it is..a vision. Not real Manny. No one has ever seen God as it is not mentioned one time ever in the Bible.
Originally posted by vistesdThanks
That doesn’t make you close-minded. I am a non-dualist, so my view is closer to Karoly’s and blackbeetle’s. But theistic dualism (God is [b]a being) versus non-dualism (God is the ground of being—in which, from which and of which everything is; the Tao of Taoism, Brahman in Advaita Vedanta, Ein Sof in the Jewish version)—well, that’s the great divide ...[text shortened]... theists do not, of course see it that way.
It’s not a matter of being close-minded, though.[/b]
Originally posted by menace71The inner beauty of such people is apparent only to those who have eyes to see.
God could come to you as a wino or homeless on a street corner and you would not know.
Manny