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Originally posted by moonbusMaterialism might be the denial of spirituality or it might not. We can argue about that if you like, although that has no bearing on John's definition of the antiChrist.
I understand "materialism" as the denial of spirituality, as infatuation with and ensnarement in the things of this world. In this not, broadly speaking, in harmony with what John says?
John it appears had a very specific definition " 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist ..
That seems pretty clear. The antiChrist appears to be people who deny a specific thing .. the coming of Christ in the flesh. John says it a second time in case anyone misses it - 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
It seems you missed the definition. I cannot see the connection with materiality.
Originally posted by moonbusDid I or John or anyone claim it was a specific person. You are arguing with yourself.
"And every spirit that confesseth not ..." confirms that the antichrist is not the name of any specific person. It's a state of an individual's soul. I don't care what name you put on it.
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Originally posted by moonbusHow does that prevent the conclusion that Gog is another name for Satan's antichrist of the last days that will lead those Islamic nations against Israel, as I stated earlier?
"And every spirit that confesseth not ..." confirms that the antichrist is not the name of any specific person. It's a state of an individual's soul. I don't care what name you put on it.
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Originally posted by Rajk999I'm replying to RJH who started this thread by suggesting that Gog Magog is a specific place which could be located on a map. THAT is a materialistic interpretation of the Scripture. He is the sort of person likely to make the same SORT of mistake by supposing that "The Antichrist" is the name of some specific person, someone like Bin Laden. RJH may not have made this mistake himself with regard to Bin Laden, but plenty of other people did and still do, merely transferring the 'name' to some other person. As your quotes amply show, this would be a materialistic interpretation of the term "antichrist", since it refers to a spiritual state of the soul, not a person in the material world.
Did I or John or anyone claim it was a specific person. You are arguing with yourself.
Originally posted by moonbus"... but after the Reign of Quantity-modern materialism and the 'rise of the masses'- Guénon predicts a reign of 'inverted quality' just before the end of the age: the triumph of the 'counter-initiation', the kingdom of Antichrist." -moonbus
"Is this the principal book which formulated your view of the Gog Magog Revolution at the conclusion of the Millennium?"
No. It confirmed (in a different idiom) a view I had already formed independently by my own observation. Materialism is a frame of mind which is very widespread nowadays, even among people who think of themselves as religious (including ...[text shortened]... :
"Cutting through spiritual materialism"
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/tib/cutting.htm
Cultures preoccupied with materialism will likely characterize "the kingdom of Antichrist" which refers to the seven year tribulation; the Gog Magog Revolution occurs at the end of Christ's reign during the Millennium (1,000 years later).
Originally posted by RJHindsRon, the Holy Spirit provides the right [one who's authority based on accuracy the believer accepts] pastor/teacher for each believer desiring to learn bible doctrine in order to grow in grace to maturity, acquiring the Mind of Christ in the process.
I do not say we should ignore such gifts, however, we obviously can't accept the teaching of every pastor/teacher we hear, else we would be like a reed blowing in the wind.
Originally posted by Rajk999The AntiChrist of Revelation is the Beast. Yes, he is a man, many believe him to already be in human form on earth. The relevant passages about the AntiChrist are found in Revelation, not in 1 John. How can you speak of 1 John while ignoring Revelation? 1 John speaks of what may be "an" antichrist, not "the" antichrist. The "spirit" of antichrist is one who is "like unto" the antichrist. The antichrist of Revelation and the antichrists of 1 John are two totally separate concepts.
Materialism might be the denial of spirituality or it might not. We can argue about that if you like, although that has no bearing on John's definition of the antiChrist.
John it appears had a very specific definition " 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that [b]Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit ...[text shortened]... christ.
It seems you missed the definition. I cannot see the connection with materiality.[/b]
I personally believe that just as Jesus was the Son of God, the AntiChrist will be the son of Satan, presumably from a human woman, in mockery of Jesus.
Originally posted by RJHindsLook, Ron, I know you hate Islam, but it will not only be Islamic nations going against Israel, but every nation. Magog, specifically, is where the army of the "nations of the north" comes from. This was always thought to be Russia and her allies. China and the Asian nations, probably including India, will make up the gigantic army of the "nations of the east". I would guess that the Islamic nations would join the army of the "nations of the south", including Africa, possibly including South America. Naturally, this means the army of the "nations of the west" would include Europe and the remnants of whatever is left of North America after the US is destroyed.
How does that prevent the conclusion that Gog is another name for Satan's antichrist of the last days that will lead those Islamic nations against Israel, as I stated earlier?
Feel free to disagree, though, this is just my take on it.
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Originally posted by SuzianneWe may both be wrong. However, I believe this British guy is on to something about Turkey being involved. As I have said before, Islam is an antichrist religion and it makes sense to me that Islamic nations would be involved with attacking Israel again like their plan in the six day war.
Look, Ron, I know you hate Islam, but it will not only be Islamic nations going against Israel, but every nation. Magog, specifically, is where the army of the "nations of the north" comes from. This was always thought to be Russia and her allies. China and the Asian nations, probably including India, will make up the gigantic army of the "nations ...[text shortened]... America after the US is destroyed.
Feel free to disagree, though, this is just my take on it.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/the_six-day_war_israels_miraculous_victory.html
GOD'S HAND IN THE SIX DAY WAR
Originally posted by RJHindsOriginally posted by RJHinds
We may both be wrong. However, I believe this British guy is on to something about Turkey being involved. As I have said before, Islam is an antichrist religion and it makes sense to me that Islamic nations would be involved with attacking Israel again like their plan in the six day war.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/the_six-day_war_israels_mir ...[text shortened]... lous_victory.html
GOD'S HAND IN THE SIX DAY WAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wMIq6X4zi4
"We may both be wrong. However, I believe this British guy is on to something about Turkey being involved..."
"Cultures preoccupied with materialism will likely characterize "the kingdom of Antichrist" which refers to the seven year tribulation; the Gog Magog Revolution occurs at the end of Christ's reign during the Millennium (1,000 years later)."
Ron, do you think "this British guy" realizes that the Gog Magog Revolution [this thread's topic] won't occur until 1,000 years after the end of the Tribulation, the beginning of which is still future as of June 6, 2014, as stated in my reply to moonbus?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWell, please take a look at this video and tell me how this fits in with your view about the antichrist?
Originally posted by RJHinds
"We may both be wrong. However, I believe this British guy is on to something about Turkey being involved..."
"Cultures preoccupied with materialism will likely characterize "the kingdom of Antichrist" which refers to the seven year tribulation; [i]the Gog Magog Revolution occurs at the end of Christ's reign dur ...[text shortened]... on, the beginning of which is still future as of June 6, 2014, as stated in my reply to moonbus?
Bible Prophecy and the Coming Muslim anti-Christ
Originally posted by SuzianneThe real story of Revelations is a tract against Rome. Rome was the beast, the whole point of the story.
The AntiChrist of Revelation is the Beast. Yes, he is a man, many believe him to already be in human form on earth. The relevant passages about the AntiChrist are found in Revelation, not in 1 John. How can you speak of 1 John while ignoring Revelation? 1 John speaks of what may be "an" antichrist, not "the" antichrist. The "spirit" of antichrist is on ...[text shortened]... od, the AntiChrist will be the son of Satan, presumably from a human woman, in mockery of Jesus.
Originally posted by RJHindsBible Prophecy and the Coming Muslim anti-Christ Published on Oct 21, 2013
Well, please take a look at this video and tell me how this fits in with your view about the antichrist?
Bible Prophecy and the Coming Muslim anti-Christ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ8C-qe3qSM
"The Christian Bible and Christian Bible Prophecy predict that in the end times the Antichrist, a beast, an dreaded evil man, more evil than any who ever walked the earth in history, will be thrust upon the world scene, and that billions of people on planet earth will die between natural cataclysms and those killed by the Antichrist--including gruesome beheadings for those who refuse to bow to his religious-government system.
Millions of American evangelicals believe that the Antichrist will rise from Europe from a 'born again' Roman Empire, as depicted in the immensely popular Left Behind book series.
But what most people don't know is that the Muslim Bible and Islamic Prophecy also predicts the coming of a person fitting nearly that identical description: The Madhi, the Muslim Messiah! How can this be?
Walid Shoebat is a scholar of both Islamic and Christian religions and he does not believe the Antichrist will rise from Europe. Rather, he teaches in this video that the Antichrist will arise from Turkey in resurgence of the Ottoman Empire.
View the documentary, "Bible Prophecy and the Coming Muslim anti-Christ" by Walid Shoebat and decide for yourself. Your life may never be the same again."
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Ron, Mr. Walid Shoebat makes no mention of the Gog Magog Revolution which occurs at the end of the Millennium.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThe Gog and Magog invasion of israel we are referring to is from Ezekiel 38 and 39, which is in the last days before the Millennium. You are referring to Revelation 20. Let's not get these two events mixed up.
[b]Bible Prophecy and the Coming Muslim anti-Christ Published on Oct 21, 2013
"The Christian Bible and Christian Bible Prophecy predict that in the end times the Antichrist, a beast, an dreaded evil man, more evil than any who ever walked the earth in history, will be thrust upon the world scene, and that billions of people on planet earth will ...[text shortened]... Shoebat makes no mention of the Gog Magog Revolution which occurs at the end of the Millennium.[/b]