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@of-ants-and-imps saidWhat are you basing this assertion on?
Divinely inspired thought ended after the last disciples had recorded from firsthand account.
01 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidNot particularly, out here in the big wide world. No. I am a regular guy among the people I move among. But, here in a small world populated by just you and me, you are clearly inferior to me in terms of your ability to advocate and propagate your beliefs and inferior to me because of the way your inarticulacy [in harness with your pridefulness] undermines your integrity. You may not agree, but I assume you will respect my candour.
You have a very high opinion of yourself.
01 Aug 22
@fmf saidYes, that is you in a nutshell!
Not particularly, out here in the big wide world. No. I am a regular guy among the people I move among. But, here in a small world populated by just you and me, you are clearly inferior to me in terms of your ability to advocate and propagate your beliefs and inferior to me because of the way your inarticulacy [in harness with your pridefulness] undermines your integrity. You may not agree, but I assume you will respect my candour.
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@divegeester saidWhat are you basing this assertion on?The Bible knowledge rests on fallible men. They had to be supernaturally given insight. It'd be nice if that stayed with them but, as you expect in the world, church fathers had experienced separation from receiving guidance. It's not far off believing the Spirit sustained them during an apostolic period, and later enveloped into intercessory methods instead of direct intervention.
Yes, so it could've been secondary nature at that time too and due to their sheer proximity to events and people they still claim inerrancy. Trust and obedience. I'll leave it at that, for now.
02 Aug 22
@divegeester saidWhat a great question.
I’m avoiding the terms “works” and “faith” to keep the principle more generic.
Which is most important doing good things for your neighbours or believing certain things about your God?
Fortunately, this is not an either/or. If we say we are Christians but fail to lead an upright life, not being transformed at all by our faith, what is our faith, really?
But it is also the case that if we actively deny an important part of Christian belief or commit some kind of heresy, we are losing the grace entirely of God. Perhaps some protection exists for those who have been legitimately deceived... But to be an informed person who rejects certain parts of the faith out of personal pride or ego and belief that you can be some mighty authority on the topic... that is a very dangerous situation.
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@philokalia saidWhat examples can you offer of “an important part of Christian belief or commit some kind of heresy” or a “certain part of the faith”, which in rejecting it would render the Christian’s good behaviours null and void but put them in a “very dangerous situation”?
But it is also the case that if we actively deny an important part of Christian belief or commit some kind of heresy, we are losing the grace entirely of God. Perhaps some protection exists for those who have been legitimately deceived... But to be an informed person who rejects certain parts of the faith out of personal pride or ego and belief that you can be some mighty authority on the topic... that is a very dangerous situation.