Good men or God-men

@sonship said
Incidentally, when you repeat attacks and I continue to speak in way of response, rather than ignore the attacks, that is not exactly me mentioning again and again, as you charge.

I continue to speak in way of response

You are dodging. Your 'responses' are a mixture of deflections and sidesteps.

There is either the evidence I am requesting or there is not.

Any typing you do that seeks to evade this reality is dodging.

@FMF

I am simply asking you for evidence to substantiate the supernatural claims you make about yourself, not about people on YouTube.

I understand that you wish to line up your objections that the words of Christ are not real in my experience. Thus the repeated demands for evidence.

At root this is asking for evidence that one's thirst has been quenched which rises to some level of YOUR approval - not likely for an atheist to grant.

Right now you are simply being shown that I am not ALONE (as you suggest) to affirm certain promises from Christ.

Here's another sister in Christ singing that song about the Holy Spirit, from Africa it appears. Praise God the Holy Spirit is so universal

Let Your Living Waters Flow - Hlengiwe Mhlaba w/ lyrics

YouTube

@sonship said
I understand that you wish to line up your objections that the words of Christ are not real in my experience. Thus the repeated demands of evidence.

If you have been "becoming like Jesus" - whom you claim is "the highest manifestation of moral goodness" in human history - and he has been "flowing through" you, and it has had no discernable or witnessable effect on your behaviour or demeanour or integrity, then why are you making far-fetched unverifiable claims about it in public?

@FMF

SecondSon pointedly does not make the claim about himself that you make about yourself. I cannot recall any other Christians here making the same claims about themselves as you make about yourself. You "don't know about that"? What you are on about"?
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That's his prerogative not to mention what he feels not to mention.

Do I demand that every atheist here has to talk like you that you are an "agnostic atheist" ?

It is not a mandatory requirement I impose for a fellow Christian must talk about for me to receive them as brother or sister Christian.

@FMF

You are dodging. Your 'responses' are a mixture of deflections and sidesteps.

There is either the evidence I am requesting or there is not.

Any typing you do that seeks to evade this reality is dodging.

You have your opinion.
I disagree. And it interesting what you dish out to others annoys you when its your turn to have a bit of your own medicine. Per your whine below -

You behave like you are fixated on me and you behave like a stalker. You follow me from thread to thread, mostly making personal remarks that are off-topic. Post as you see fit. This is what I do.

@sonship said
That's his prerogative not to mention what he feels not to mention.

Do I demand that every atheist here has to talk like you that you are an "agnostic atheist" ?

It is not a mandatory requirement I impose for a fellow Christian must talk about for me to receive them as brother or sister Christian.

More dodging.

@sonship said
And it interesting what you dish out to others annoys you when its your turn to have a bit of your own medicine. Per your whine below -

You behave like you are fixated on me and you behave like a stalker. You follow me from thread to thread, mostly making personal remarks that are off-topic. Post as you see fit. This is what I do.

My questions to you are not off-topic. But I see the casual dishonesty of you trying to make it sound like Philokalia's off-topic stalking of me, and my on-topic tenacity with you, have some equivalency.

@FMF

If you have been "becoming like Jesus" - whom you claim is "the highest manifestation of moral goodness" in human history - and he has been "flowing through" you, and it has had no discernable or witnessable effect on your behaviour or demeanour or integrity, then why are you making far-fetched unverifiable claims about it in public?

Saying there is no God to some of us is a far fetched claim to make in public.

Now you do not seriously expect Christians to back down on the their experience because you withhold your approval of the way they behave ?

I don't care if you sharpen accusations as you do.

One of the very first streams of accusation that the Devil hurls against every Christian is "You have no right to call YOURSELF a follower of Jesus. Look at how you failed."

I have right to testify John 7:39 I have tasted.
I have right to testify that I know Christ is working in me to sanctify me.
And I have right to testify of the hope that our destiny is to be conformed to the image of the Firstborn Son of God.

And for someone to say that on any given Tuesday, they didn't notice any of this in me, that's ok. I will still speak of God's word and my developing experience.

He's not finish yet with any of us who have received Him.

@sonship said
Right now you are simply being shown that I am not ALONE (as you suggest) to affirm certain promises from Christ.

Morality is what governs behaviour and interactions between people.

If you have been "becoming like Jesus" - whom you claim is "the highest manifestation of moral goodness" in human history - and he has been "flowing through" you, and it has had no effect on your morality as it manifests itself in your behaviour and interactions with people, why are you making the claim in public?

If it has no effect on the morality that you exhibit and has no effect on your behaviour and your integrity, just say so.

@sonship said
Now you do not seriously expect Christians to back down on the their experience because you withhold your approval of the way they behave ?

I'm just asking for evidence that you think backs your claims.

@sonship said
And for someone to say that on any given Tuesday, they didn't notice any of this in me, that's ok. I will still speak of God's word and my developing experience.

I am not asking you about "any given Tuesday". I am asking about the last ten years or so.

Your "experience" may be one thing, but morality is about "behaviour" and "integrity".

@sonship said
I understand that you wish to line up your objections that the words of Christ are not real in my experience.

If your "experience" has no effect on the morality that you exhibit and has no effect on your behaviour and your integrity, just say so.

@FMF

My questions to you are not off-topic. But I see the casual dishonesty of you trying to make it sound like Philokalia's off-topic stalking of me and my on-topic tenacity with you.

I see the casual dishonesty to admit that you can dish out certain behavior but you cannot take it when it comes around to you.

And evidence is not persuasion.

@sonship said
I see the casual dishonesty to admit that you can dish out certain behavior but you cannot take it when it comes around to you.

I am not having any difficulty with anyone's behaviour. I am not having difficulty with your behaviour. But your behaviour is interesting. Do you think Jesus guides you in any way when you are dealing with me?

@sonship said
And evidence is not persuasion.

If "experience" does not translate into behaviour that can be witnessed [and experienced] by others, it is not relevant to "morality".