@sonship saidYou have made supernatural claims about yourself. You have claimed that you are "becoming like Jesus". You have claimed that "Jesus flowing through" you.
Then if everything has been discussed in the past there is absolutely no reason I need to act like you have something new.
Forget about this "no re-hash for me, but something new you have to defend."
You have pointedly and steadfastly refused to discuss this [aside from dodging it in a really odd wriggling kind of way] so, unlike the origins of the universe, it remains something new.
Do you have any evidence to substantiate the supernatural claims you make about yourself? Is there anything about your behaviour or your demeanour or about your integrity as a poster that substantiates your claim that you are "becoming like Jesus" and that he is "flowing through" you?
@sonship saidDiscussed by me: dodged by you. And you toss away so many of your integrity points in the way you dodge, while you are it. Is it your arid zealous religiosity that makes you the way you are, I wonder.
@FMF
Discussed.
Or is the flurry of logical fallacies and rhetorical gimmicks and disingenuous tangents that you deploy when you are dodging simply the manifestation and effect of your belief that "Jesus is flowing through" you and your belief that you are "becoming like Jesus"?
@sonship said"God-men"? To be scripturally accurate, in my opinion, I think the terminology, with regards to "what God wants" men to be, should look more like "Godly-men".
Now, please share with me - do you have anything thoughts on this matter I have brought up - God wants people of God - God-men more than simply good people.
I mean, why wasn't God satisfied to have millions up millions of good angels that have everlasting life ?
What more did God want or need ?
God is and forever shall be singularly unique, in that He is and forever will be the only one of His kind.
God is infinite, and man will forever be finite. We are called to be godly, or God-like, not "God-men". I think the language we use to describe what the scriptures mean needs to reflect the meaning and intent of God's Word. Deviation from the narrative with terms not found in scripture can be dangerous especially with regards to doctrine.
The question, "why wasn't God satisfied?", infers that God needs satisfaction from what He created. The Bible tells us that all things were created for His pleasure, it doesn't say God is dissatisfied with creation.
But specifically, with regards to "this matter" you have brought up, namely, "what God wants" men to be, I think much of the answer is shrouded in mystery considering we will be learning of God's grace for eternity.
I think the following verses may help in clarifying what I'm saying.
1 Corinthians 13:8-13
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
(Embolden mine)
@fmf saidYour problem FMF, whether you are cognizant of it or not, is that you simply do not understand anything sonship says.
Discussed by me: dodged by you. And you toss away so many of your integrity points in the way you dodge, while you are it. Is it your arid zealous religiosity that makes you the way you are, I wonder.
Or is the flurry of logical fallacies and rhetorical gimmicks and disingenuous tangents that you deploy when you are dodging simply the manifestation and effect of your belief that "Jesus is flowing through" you and your belief that you are "becoming like Jesus"?
Your only recourse is denial.
@secondson saidYou obviously haven't been following. I understand very well that [1] he makes specific supernatural claims about himself, and [2] his intellectual and interpersonal wheels fall off when asked to substantiate those claims.
Your problem FMF, whether you are cognizant of it or not, is that you simply do not understand anything sonship says.
Your only recourse is denial.
SecondSon, do you assert that you are "becoming more like Jesus Christ" here in this community and that "Jesus Christ is flowing through" you as you post on this forum?
@fmf saidIt's your wheels that fall off.
You obviously haven't been following. I understand very well that [1] he makes specific supernatural claims about himself, and [2] his intellectual and interpersonal wheels fall off when asked to substantiate those claims
You need to recognize the fact that it gets your goat imagining that anyone claiming to be a Christian and believes the Bible actually knows and understands spiritual things. Since you are so convinced that there is nothing supernatural you have a thinly veiled disdain for those that do, and it come across in subtle ways throughout these threads.
@secondson saidDo you believe that sonship is "becoming more like Jesus Christ" here in this community and that "Jesus Christ is flowing through" sonship as he posts on this forum?
You need to recognize the fact that it gets your goat imagining that anyone claiming to be a Christian and believes the Bible actually knows and understands spiritual things. Since you are so convinced that there is nothing supernatural you have a thinly veiled disdain for those that do, and it come across in subtle ways throughout these threads.
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"God-men"? To be scripturally accurate, in my opinion, I think the terminology, with regards to "what God wants" men to be, should look more like "Godly-men".
Yes, "God-men" is not in the Bible. But we do have -
"man of God" - First Timothy 6:11
But you, O man of God, flee these things, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance, meekness ..." (1 Tim. 6:11)
"All Scripture is God breathed and profitable ... that the man of God may be complete, fully equiped for every good work." 2 Tim. 3:17)
I think we could also add that Moses was a "man of God" -
(Deuteronomy 33:1; Josh. 14:6; Ps. 90:1; Ezra 3:2; 1 Chron. 23:14; 2 Chron. 30:16)
Another term which I think expresses the idea of God-men is godliness.
"And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness, who was manifested in the flesh, ... etc. (1 Tim. 3:16a)
" ... that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and gravity." ( 1 Tim. 2:2)
" ... what befits women professing godly reverence, by good works." (1 Tim. 2:10)
" ... exercise yourself unto godliness " (1 Tim. 4:7)
" ... but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the present life and of the life which is coming." ( v.8)
" ... let them first learn to show godliness toward their own household ..." ( 1 Tim. 5:4)
" ... the teaching which is according to godliness ... " ( 1 Tim. 6:3)
" perpetual wranglings of men corrupted in mind ... supposing godliness to be a means of gain." (1 Tim. 6:5)
"But godliness with contentment is great gain." (v.6)
"Having a form of godliness, but having denied its power; from these turn away." (2 Tim. 3:5)
"And indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted." (2 Tim. 3:12)
" ... the full knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness ..." (Titus 1;1)
"Training us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in the present age..." (Titus 2:12)
Though we do not see "God-men" I have been persuaded the "godly" and "godliness" expresses the truth of God-people, ie, God-men, God-women.
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I'll comment on your other statements below.
@sonship saidWhat purpose does it serve to change the terms used in the bible? It serves no good purpose. It gives the founder of the word or expression a false sense of achievement and pride. Worse it is used to prepare the groundwork for other false doctrine to creep into the truth of the bible. Stick to plain bible expressions and terminology. That is the point SS is making. It is a springboard for subsequent nonsense doctrines, for which you are famous.
@SecondSon"God-men"? To be scripturally accurate, in my opinion, I think the terminology, with regards to "what God wants" men to be, should look more like "Godly-men".
Yes, "God-men" is not in the Bible. But we do have -
"man of God" - First Timothy 6:11
[quote] But you, O man of God, flee these things, and pursue righteo ...[text shortened]... s the truth of God-people, ie, God-men, God-women.
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I'll comment on your other statements below.
@rajk999 saidsonship propagates the Witness Lee ideology that has him believing he is going to be "deified" after he dies and will become a "God man". He has also suggested that he might get some additional reward in the afterlife for having posted on this forum.
What purpose does it serve to change the terms used in the bible? It serves no good purpose. It gives the founder of the word or expression a false sense of achievement and pride. Worse it is used to prepare the groundwork for other false doctrine to creep into the truth of the bible. Stick to plain bible expressions and terminology. That is the point SS is making. It is a springboard for subsequent nonsense doctrines, for which you are famous.