Good men or God-men

@secondson said
Like I said in another post, you simply do no understand what sonship is talking about.

Of course I do.

@secondson said
If the Bible is true, that what it says relative to what Christians are being transformed to, then you're missing the boat, and the concept of salvation, sanctification and glorification is lost on you.

What I have ascertained here is that sonship asserts that "Jesus is flowing through" him and he is "becoming like Jesus". Meanwhile, you don't assert that "Jesus is flowing through" you or that you are "becoming like Jesus". This is interesting.

@FMF

What I have ascertained here is that sonship asserts that "Jesus is flowing through" him and he is "becoming like Jesus". Meanwhile, you don't assert that "Jesus is flowing through" you or that you are "becoming like Jesus". This is interesting.

Let us establish that the two comments are not the sole personal and private affair of one solitary Christian - sonship.

1.) The Holy Spirit as a subjectively flowing One is promised to ALL those who believed in Christ. It is not just the singularly privilege of one pesky Internet user -

"But this He said concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed into Him were about to receive ..." (John 7:39a)

2.) The promise of being conformed to His image is to every single human being whom God has marked out this destiny from eternity past.

"Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers." (Rom. 8:29)

FMF is on an amusing campaign to twist the virtually universal promise of Christ into the personal braggadocio of one annoying little Christian Internet poster.

I am not enjoying anything that he could not enjoy should he get over his lack of belief in the Lord Jesus.

@divegeester

Reading this...it is easy to see why you prefer the vacuousness of this online argument forum to real life.

You claim to be a Christian?

Which word of Jesus is vacuous, John 7:39 ?
That and/or Romans 8:29 is vacuous, not real ?

What other words out of the mouth of the One you claim as your Lord and Savior is "vacuous" ?
Maybe the entire New Testament to you is vacuous?

Get over it. We believers can testify that since we confessed Christ as Lord at times we sense His Spirit moving in us.
Since we have confessed Christ as Lord, we notice a process going on where apart from our self effort, He does have a way of changing our lives. And we've every right to assume though we are works in progress, that the end result will be as the New Testament assures = "conformed to the image of His Son"

And though some skeptic salivates to make that seem like someone's personal boasting exaggeration, we Christians can ALSO say with the Apostle Paul -

" Not that I have already obtained or am already perfected, but I pursue, ... Brothers, I do not account of myself to have laid hold ..." (See Phil. 3:12,13)

In other words, no one is saying "I'm perfected and have no more to grow in Christ."
Just because I affirm John 7:39 and Rom. 8:29 for myself and all believers in general, doesn't mean I am foolishly bragging that I am finished and fully matured Christian.

In fact the nature of sanctification is that the more you partake of it the further you see in yourself that you have to go.

-Removed-

I remember this one time that one of the posters here literally began posting from his account as the identity "Bronwyn," claiming to be the significant other of one of the posters here...

It would certainly be ironic if you were the guy who did such a thing, but that you would go on to accuse others of preferring the empty online arguments to real life.

I don't mean to be cruel, but maybe this wasn't the wisest position for you to take.

@fmf said
What I have ascertained here is that sonship asserts that "Jesus is flowing through" him and he is "becoming like Jesus". Meanwhile, you don't assert that "Jesus is flowing through" you or that you are "becoming like Jesus". This is interesting.

A Christian becoming more christlike and communing with the Holy Spirit and God on earth is the desired condition.

I am sure Sonship can feel he has been improving over the last years.

But here you are, FMF, trying to cut him down -- using things he has said months and even years ago in an attempt to shame him and gaslight him into believing he does not grow as a person.

So this is what the elders of the community become without Christ: goons trying to cut down members of their community, and not people seeking to grow with others in their understanding.

-Removed-

What an absurd and vacuous thing to say. Don't speak to the matter being asserted, just find occasion to make personal criticisms.

Judgmental fraud.

@fmf said
What I have ascertained here is that sonship asserts that "Jesus is flowing through" him and he is "becoming like Jesus". Meanwhile, you don't assert that "Jesus is flowing through" you or that you are "becoming like Jesus". This is interesting.

That I, or any other born again believer, is being transformed into the image of Christ is a given. It's part and parcel of what it means to be a Christian.

That you don't hear me saying it is irrelevant. And your predilection for pointing out, continuously, that sonship makes such a claim in a public forum only goes to show how vitriolic you are about something a believer is experiencing by your continuous barrage against sonship making that pronouncement.

As if you're jealous the sonship is in fact becoming more like the one you decided to abandon. It must be griping you're ars to no end.

Why don't you stick to addressing the topic of discussion instead of haranguing sonship about his faith.

And that's your problem right there. Sonship's faith is a threat to your atheism.

So sad is it that you have so many good things to say about others with differing faiths in your neck of the woods and how you all get along so well in life, but here you vilify simply because of a perceived anonymity.

@fmf said
Of course I do.

Do you? Then why do you appear to have the need to harass him personally?

You pick on the meek because you think they're weak. Like the way you and your cronies ground GB to the death in here.

Now you're trying to do it to sonship. It's pathetic to watch.

@philokalia said
A Christian becoming more christlike and communing with the Holy Spirit and God on earth is the desired condition.

I am sure Sonship can feel he has been improving over the last years.

He offers not one jot of evidence and makes the claim nevertheless.

@secondson said
Do you? Then why do you appear to have the need to harass him personally?

You pick on the meek because you think they're weak. Like the way you and your cronies ground GB to the death in here.

Now you're trying to do it to sonship. It's pathetic to watch.

I am simply questioning him about claims he makes in the course of debates and discussion on a public forum. It's not as if I am comparing him to animals or insects or germs or faeces.

@philokalia said
But here you are, FMF, trying to cut him down -- using things he has said months and even years ago in an attempt to shame him and gaslight him into believing he does not grow as a person.

How is he being "shamed"? I am just asking him about claims he repeatedly makes about himself in public. Why should he be ashamed of what he has said?

@sonship said
FMF is on an amusing campaign to twist the virtually universal promise of Christ into the personal braggadocio of one annoying little Christian Internet poster.

Why is it you claim you are "becoming more like Jesus" and that "Jesus is flowing through" you but, for example, SecondSon does not claim he is "becoming more like Jesus" and that "Jesus is flowing through" him? You are both Christians.

@secondson said
As if you're jealous the sonship is in fact becoming more like the one you decided to abandon.

If you mean sonship is "becoming more like" Jesus Christ, where is the evidence that he is?